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Affixing blame for the Mountain Meadows Massacre
Patheos ^ | SEPTEMBER 21, 2019 | DAN PETERSON

Posted on 09/22/2019 4:04:02 PM PDT by robowombat

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To: SkyDancer
Walter Martin and the Tanners were the instructional materials used.

Who?

LDS material is sufficient.

The first 'book' in the Quad is enough to show problems with the next three.

121 posted on 09/23/2019 2:55:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SkyDancer
LDS stuff on the net is SO voluminous that one can take YEARS to track down stuff.

[unctuous, self-promotion alert!]

(or ELSIE can be pinged)

122 posted on 09/23/2019 3:00:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fproy2222
Mountain Meadows was wrong, but your rendition of reasons is worse..

Really??

I guess that old, "Sticks and stones..." thing ain't what it used to be.

123 posted on 09/23/2019 3:03:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Widget Jr

“19 years apart and 900 miles away. That is grasping at straws.”

Now it is up to you to find out what also happened in between.
Unless you already know all there is to know to judge that group of people.


124 posted on 09/23/2019 3:05:02 AM PDT by fproy2222
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To: MHGinTN; fproy2222; teppe
Tell me, proy, how does the evil committed by the persecutors of the Mormons at Hawn’s Mill make okay the evil perpetrated against innocent wagon train travelers?

Obviously; turn the other cheek does NOT apply here.

125 posted on 09/23/2019 3:08:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN; fproy2222; teppe
When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God

is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)



Maybe some of the folks in the wagon train were SO suntanned that they appeared BLACK...
126 posted on 09/23/2019 3:09:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe
History has shown that only ONE Mormon ever paid the price for MMM; John D. Lee...


"I am a true believer in the gospel of Jesus Christ, I do not believe everything that is now being taught and practiced by Brigham Young.

 I do not care who hears it. It is my last word - it is so.

 I believe he is lead­ing the people astray, downward to destruction.

 But I believe in the gospel that was taught in its purity by Joseph Smith, in former days.

 I have my reasons for it.

 

"I studied to make this man's [Brigham Young] will my pleasure for thirty years.

See, now, what I have come to this day!

 

"I have been sacrificed in a cowardly, dastardly manner." (Lee enun­ciated this sentence with marked emphasis.)

 

 

Excerpted from -->  http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mountainmeadows/leeexecution.html

127 posted on 09/23/2019 3:11:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: All

When all this mud that has been flung about finally dries; I can use it to fill in the low spots in my yard.


128 posted on 09/23/2019 3:12:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fproy2222
For some reason there are people who only know how to put others down to build themselves up.

Ma'am; your religion is bogus.

129 posted on 09/23/2019 3:24:35 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Widget Jr
The Mormons were in Utah because they were driven out of Missouri and Ohio.

WRONG!

That's what SLC wants you to believe.

A portion of the Mormons left; another bunch stayed.

The ones who stayed were not subjected to any bad things later.

The ones who had a spirit of fear and fled, buried many on the arduous trip west.

130 posted on 09/23/2019 3:28:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
This thread is sounding like a Union / Confederacy 'discussion' group!


https://i0.wp.com/www.mrm.org/files/images/photo-album/mountain-meadows-massacre-i.jpg?w=825

 

The approach to the Mountain Meadows Massacre monument
with a U.S. and Arkansas flag prominently flying to the right,
Mountain Meadows, Utah, Aug. 25, 2018 |
Photo by Reuben Wadsworth, St. George News

The monument in the valley below received an upgrade in 1999, again the product of a partnership between descendant groups and the LDS church. They erected a stone cairn monument patterned after the one the army put up 140 years before but without the cross.

President Gordon B. Hinckley, who took a vested interest in moving the new monument forward, especially after seeing how horribly it had fallen in disrepair, spoke at its Sept. 11, 1999, dedication. Some were hoping for an official church apology, but he stopped short of that. When asked in a later interview who was responsible for the massacre, he said, “the local people.”

A ceremony on the same date in 2007 marked the 150th anniversary. Then-church historian Marlin K. Jensen, who also showed a extreme interest in setting the story straight and remembering the victims, wrote a statement to read on that occasion, but because of illness, was unable to deliver it. Instead, then-Elder Henry B. Eyring, now second counselor in the First Presidency, presented it.

What was done here long ago by members of our Church represents a terrible and inexcusable departure from Christian teaching and conduct. We cannot change what happened, but we can remember and honor those who were killed here. We express profound regret for the massacre carried out in this valley 150 years ago today and for the undue and untold suffering experienced by the victims then and by their relatives to the present time.

The statement went on to voice regret to the Paiute people, who for so long bore the principal blame for the massacre but who would not have even participated in the massacre had they not been convinced by local Mormon leaders.

The word “apology” was never used in the remarks, and no official apology has ever come from church leadership. Despite that, descendant groups have been happy to have built a great relationship with the LDS church and work in concert with it to preserve the memory of the massacre and their forebearers who met their demise because of it.

131 posted on 09/23/2019 3:47:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN

” serving an antichrist religion is a sin against the Holy Spirit”

Be cautious in your assessment....might want to ask the mods to allow you to retract and then restate....


132 posted on 09/23/2019 4:13:20 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: teppe

If following God’s word, and adhering to what the Bible teaches makes me a bigot, I’ll wear that label. I do judge. I judge and use the Bible as a template. You can try to sugarcoat poison, but it’s still just poison.


133 posted on 09/23/2019 4:20:59 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: wardaddy

Mormons followed Islam. Some dood wrote a book that he claimed was given to him by god that allowed sex with children and many women and provided him the right to wage war on all comers.

SSDD.


134 posted on 09/23/2019 4:23:02 AM PDT by CodeToad ( Hating on Trump is hating on me and Americans!)
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To: teppe

Your comment seeking to justify the murder of innocents and kidnapping of children is indefensible and despicable.


135 posted on 09/23/2019 5:01:39 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Elsie

What is the SLC?


136 posted on 09/23/2019 5:59:22 AM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: fproy2222

I have read Mormon material and it’s not Christian. Period.


137 posted on 09/23/2019 6:45:24 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: teppe

Both of them used nothing but Mormon materials; as it’s said: straight from the horses mouth. There is absolutely nothing Christian about Mormonism. I’ve read their material.


138 posted on 09/23/2019 6:46:45 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: fproy2222

I refer you to Sidney Rigdon’s Salt sermon, a declaration of war on the people of Missouri. There were gentiles in the audience who left to alert the locals.


139 posted on 09/23/2019 7:04:41 AM PDT by lurk
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To: lurk

“I refer you to Sidney Rigdon’s Salt sermon,”

Have you noticed how Freepers sound the same over gun control.


140 posted on 09/23/2019 7:20:01 AM PDT by fproy2222
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