Posted on 09/22/2019 4:04:02 PM PDT by robowombat
Would it not be easier for you the pick apart these nasty creeds; line by line?
At least they have precise language, and do NOT have a couple of 'and so forth.' phrases in them like the Mormon CREED.
But; no doubt; you are a busy man; so let this gentile do the hard work for you...
the Father Almighty,
"One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." -Ephesians 4:6
"Have we not all one father? Hath not one God created us?" -Malachi 2:10
THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535541
Joseph Smith |
I did this; now it's YOUR turn!
If the Mormon AoF came from GOD ..... Prove it!
We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
#284 is for you.
You didn’t prove anything ....
Mark 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
Is the same ‘oneness’ as John 17: 21 ‘That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.’
Clearly .... you have missed the True Christ contained within the Bible. Until you correct this, you will never be able to learn more truth about God the Father and his Son, Jesus Christ.
The difference is that ‘people with your opinion’ murdered other people in the name of Christ for having a different opinion.
Clearly .... you have missed the True Father contained within the Bible.
Now; getting back to the MORMON creed...
Oh but I did.
You asked for biblical references to justify the Nicene creed; and I delivered them to you in spades.
Your religion has yet to prove that the bible had any thing lacking in it.
Just saying so and coming up with some unverifiable writings fails even the simplest test a person would need to be 'evidence'.
Genesis 2:24
That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.
Ephesians 5:30-32
30 For we are members of His body. 31 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. 32 This mystery is profound, but I am speaking about Christ and the church.
Both these verses are in your quad.
How can a person miss the meaning of them??
Is the same oneness as John 17: 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Wrong!!! Biblehub says they are exactly the same:
Mark 10:8 https://biblehub.com/mark/10-8.htm
one: Strong’s Greek 1520: One. (including the neuter Hen); a primary numeral; one.
John 17:21 https://biblehub.com/john/17-21.htm
one: (including the neuter Hen); a primary numeral; one.
Give it up Elsie .... ‘you can dish it out .... but you can’t take it.’
Maybe you should take Christ’s advice:
Mark 7:5 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
That's ok I guess.
two
δύο (dyo)
Adjective - Nominative Masculine Plural
Strong's Greek 1417: Two. A primary numeral; 'two'.
will become
ἔσονται (esontai)
Verb - Future Indicative Middle - 3rd Person Plural
Strong's Greek 1510: I am, exist. The first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist.
one <----------------------------------------------------------------------------
μίαν (mian) <----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Adjective - Accusative Feminine Singular
Strong's Greek 1520: One. (including the neuter Hen); a primary numeral; one.
flesh.
σάρκα (sarka)
Noun - Accusative Feminine Singular
Strong's Greek 4561: Flesh, body, human nature, materiality; kindred.
So
ὥστε (hōste)
Conjunction
Strong's Greek 5620: So that, therefore, so then, so as to. From hos and te; so too, i.e. Thus therefore.
they are
εἰσὶν (eisin)
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person Plural
Strong's Greek 1510: I am, exist. The first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist.
no longer
οὐκέτι (ouketi)
Adverb
Strong's Greek 3765: No longer, no more. Also ouk eti from ou and eti; not yet, no longer.
two,
δύο (dyo)
Adjective - Nominative Masculine Plural
Strong's Greek 1417: Two. A primary numeral; 'two'.
but
ἀλλὰ (alla)
Conjunction
Strong's Greek 235: But, except, however. Neuter plural of allos; properly, other things, i.e. contrariwise.
one <----------------------------------------------------------------------------
μία (mia) <----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Adjective - Nominative Feminine Singular
Strong's Greek 1520: One. (including the neuter Hen); a primary numeral; one.
None of the Apostles or Jesus Christ likely read Greek either. Are you Okay with them being ignorant rubes compared to yourself as well?
OK .... if your so smart. Tell me how in your Trinitarian 3-in-1 and 1-in-3 God, how God the Father ‘forsook’ Christ the Son:
Matt 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Of course .... as always .... you can’t defend your own beliefs.
If the Mormon 'witnesses' were still on earth; you could ask them.
An 1830 statement titled "Testimony of Three Witnesses"one statement signed by three men rather than three separate statementswas published at the end of the first edition of the Book of Mormon:
Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates which contain this record, which is a record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites, his brethren, and also of the people of Jared, who came from the tower of which hath been spoken. And we also know that they have been translated by the gift and power of God, for his voice hath declared it unto us; wherefore we know of a surety that the work is true. And we also testify that we have seeen [sic] the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shewn unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon; and we know that it is by the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, that we beheld and bear record that these things are true. And it is marvellous [sic] in our eyes. Nevertheless, the voice of the Lord commanded us that we should bear record of it; wherefore, to be obedient unto the commandments of God, we bear testimony of these things. And we know that if we are faithful in Christ, we shall rid our garments of the blood of all men, and be found spotless before the judgment-seat of Christ, and shall dwell with him eternally in the heavens. And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.
Book of Mormon:
Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God? And he answered, No. (Alma 11:28-29)
...and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil. (Alma 11:44)
...doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen. (2 Nephi 31:21)
...praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end. (Mormon 7:7)
...power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son--And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth. And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, (Mosiah 15:3-5)
...of Jared, that whoso should possess this land of promise, from that time henceforth and forever, should serve him, the true and only God, or they should be swept off when the fulness of his wrath should come upon them. (Ether 2:8)
"Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name." (3 Nephi 9:15)
"And again the Lord called others, and said unto them likewise; and he gave unto them power to baptize. And he said unto them: On this wise shall ye baptize; and there shall be no disputations among you. Verily I say unto you, that whoso repenteth of his sins through your words and desireth to be baptized in my name, on this wise shall ye baptize them--Behold, ye shall go down and stand in the water, and in my name shall ye baptize them. And now behold, these are the words which ye shall say, calling them by name, saying: Having authority given me of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. And then shall ye immerse them in the water, and come forth again out of the water. And after this manner shall ye baptize in my name; for behold, verily I say unto you, that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one; and I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one...And thus will the Father bear record of me, and the Holy Ghost will bear record unto him of the Father and me; for the Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are one." (3 Nephi 11:22-27, 36)
We don't know what actually happened, neither do all these judgmental egoists.
Easy! Gospel of John clearly explains the ‘oneness’ of God WHICH IS IN PURPOSE ... NOT PERSONNA
John 17 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
NOTICE: “THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, EVEN AS WE ARE ONE”.
Yes God, Christ and the Holy Ghost are one in purpose. No .... they are not an undefined heavenly mist which morphs from three beings to one and back again...... (it’s really amazing anyone could believe that!)
Go ahead and strain at a gnat while swallowing your camel.
I actually agree with you.
No person SHOULD 'believe' in this thing you've built using so much straw.
Use the gospel in John if you wish; it's the words found in the BoM that LDS apologists have to defend.
Jesus Christ is Gods Son, spiritually and physically. He calls Him Father, He prays to Him. |
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