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ISRAELI RESEARCHERS IDENTIFY BIBLICAL KINGDOM OF EDOM
jpost.com ^ | September 19, 2019 | AARON REICH

Posted on 09/22/2019 10:53:00 AM PDT by ransomnote

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To: SunkenCiv

lol. stupid fun on Sunday afternoon waiting for the thunderstorms to roll in


21 posted on 09/22/2019 11:40:02 AM PDT by Eddie01
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To: Eddie01

I want to get a walk in, but may be seeing the same sky you are. :^)


22 posted on 09/22/2019 11:41:22 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: ransomnote

Inna Gadda Dav Edom, honey...


23 posted on 09/22/2019 11:43:03 AM PDT by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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To: Hostage

1. Confirms existence of Biblical kingdom of Edom
2. Denies Biblical origin for our calendar

It’s so much fun to be a doublethinking liberal.


24 posted on 09/22/2019 11:53:09 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Show me the people who own the land, the guns and the money, and I'll show you the people in charge.)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...
Thanks ransomnote.

25 posted on 09/22/2019 11:58:49 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: 75thOVI; Abathar; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AnalogReigns; AndrewC; aragorn; ...
...a result of the military invasion of Pharaoh Shoshenq I of Egypt (the biblical “Shishak”)...
One of *those* topics. Thanks ransomnote.


In the chapter dealing with the sack of the Temple of Jerusalem, it was demonstrated that the biblical Shishak, its plunderer, was Thutmose III of the Eighteenth Dynasty, and the objects of his loot, depicted on the bas relief at Karnak, were identified as the vessels, utensils, and furniture of the Temple. His heir Amenhotep II was identified as the Biblical Zerah who invaded Palestine in the days of King Asa at the beginning of the ninth century. Thus they could not have been the Libyan kings Shoshenk and Osorkon. These Libyans reigned later, and the entire duration of that dynasty was shorter than is conventionally assumed.

But we shall also show that Osorkon could not have reigned in the beginning of the ninth century and that Shoshenk could not have been the biblical Shishak because he was the Biblical Pharaoh So referred to in the Scriptures during the closing days of Samaria, in the time of King Hezekiah.

The Sequence of Dynasties | Immanuel Velikovsky

26 posted on 09/22/2019 12:05:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: seowulf

I have absolutely zero objection to Jewish researchers using the Hebrew calendar and wonder why a decision is made to infringe on the establishment of a Christian calendar.

The original Christian calendar, the one that preceded what we have today, was flawed as it did not account precisely for the imprecision of marking the time of Earth’s revolution around the Sun. This gave us leap years which is still off but not enough to make a difference over a very long time span.

The addition of leap years caused Christ’s birth to be moved from January 7 (old calendar) to December 25.

The Eastern Catholics, the Orthodox still have large sects among their followers that continue to observe the old calendar but even they adopted to include leap years to keep seasonal parity.

The Hebrew calendar is similarly flawed and that might be a reason Jewish historians avoid using it but I know from experience that some, not all and not even most, some Rabbis get ‘offended’ by the usage of BC/AD. I once told such a Rabbi that if he was going to change history so that he would not be offended, then he was condoning others to traverse a slippery slope. The offended become the offenders.

From a scholarly approach, the usage of calendars that are embedded in historical scriptures could be avoided entirely if associations of historians were convened to adopt a universal calendar that established a reference point such as say the date Caesar crossed the Rubicon or some such. People like me will continue to use the Christian calendar but will learn to cross reference a historical universal calendar to follow historical publications.


27 posted on 09/22/2019 12:12:36 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: Crapgame

Good strategy. BCE is an attempt to remove Christ from the date differentiator. It’s a red flag you are probably dealing with leftists.


28 posted on 09/22/2019 12:23:59 PM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: Hostage
...wonder why a decision is made to infringe on the establishment of a Christian calendar.

I suspect it is the same reason why the article was written in English; it is what can most efficiently transfer the information to the widest audience because of worldwide usage.

I certainly didn't know this was year 5779 in the Hebrew calendar without looking it up.

Sometimes there are no motives. Sometimes it just becomes common usage. Someone seems to always be offended by something, so whatever you do or say, it's wrong; kind of like the PC culture.

This guy is just guilty of cultural appropriation, I suppose.

29 posted on 09/22/2019 12:25:01 PM PDT by seowulf
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To: ransomnote

A map would have been nice to show where the Arava Desert is located on the Israeli-Jordanian border.


31 posted on 09/22/2019 12:38:40 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

http://image.slideserve.com/404208/edom-map29-l.jpg


32 posted on 09/22/2019 12:41:27 PM PDT by jjotto (Next week, BOOM!, for sure!)
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To: seowulf

I knew an editor of a scholarly journal where historians submit manuscripts hoping to get published (because getting published is the bottom line for academics and researchers).

He was secular but he would have none of the few that wrote BCE in their manuscripts, He and his staff would review and tell authors to use the established annotation. In many cases, he and his staff prevailed but the persistence of certain authors overcame the convention and proceeded to establish their own convention.

The usurpation is still ongoing. There are still many more journals using the conventional annotation than the one slipped in to cover up the reference point.

English is prevalent and so is the BC-AD convention. Those writing in English can just as well write their calendar references in BC-AD. There is no stigma and no obligation for such writers to believe the history underlying the scriptural calendar convention.

Yes, Aaron is likely a lemming but the point is that Aaron can be swayed to do the bidding of his masters and that will most assuredly carry over into how he connects the dots on the data from the digs. That’s the point.


33 posted on 09/22/2019 12:44:59 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: jjotto

Thank you for posting the map showing Edom’s location.


34 posted on 09/22/2019 12:50:12 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: malach

I agree totally. Give the guy a break and don’t think he’s behind some grand conspiracy to subvert the Gregorian calendar.

Communicate knowledge to the widest possible audience.

Scientia est potentia.


35 posted on 09/22/2019 12:51:51 PM PDT by seowulf
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To: Crapgame

Common era? Eh? When that begin? Oh Christ!


36 posted on 09/22/2019 12:55:09 PM PDT by CJ Wolf (Free)
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To: SunkenCiv

Brie golly I wasn’t aware of that.


37 posted on 09/22/2019 12:56:46 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Hostage
BCE eh?

CE .. CHRISTIAN ERA

BCE .. BEFORE CHRISTIAN ERA

pass it on...

38 posted on 09/22/2019 1:08:10 PM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals crazy!)
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To: ransomnote

The Edomites eventually moved into Europe and became the ancestors of the first Romans.


39 posted on 09/22/2019 1:09:33 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Modernism began two thousand years ago.)
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To: Robert DeLong

The lack of cheese knowledge is something I camembert.


40 posted on 09/22/2019 1:10:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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