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“Keto is just another fad diet.”

Not from the information I have found. Keto diets are dangerous in that the body doesn’t react the same to stimulus all the time. And the stimulus is different all the time. It’s like choosing to step into the batters box and try to determine if the pitch is on one side over the plate or behind you to hit it. And diabetes increases that variance. So you can’t successfully determine the amount of nutrients to ingest.

The aim of the keto diet is to put, and keep, your body in a metabolic state called ketosis. Our bodies normally burn carbohydrates for energy. When you restrict the amount of carbs, the body will break down stored fat, creating molecules called ketones to use as fuel.

Some studies , in fact, suggest that a ketogenic diet is safe for significantly overweight or obese people. But those are healthy people that are not burdened with health issues like diabetes or thyroid problems to name a couple. For people like those, a keto diet can lead to ketoacidosis which occurs when the body produces dangerously high levels of ketones. Ketoacidosis can be life threatening as it is even capable of causing swelling of the brain thus death. And the entire intent of the keto diet is to place the body in the beginning stages of this dangerous effect.

In the first week or so of the diet expect the possibility of these symptoms: headache, fatigue, brain fog, irritability, constipation, trouble sleeping, nausea, stomachache, dizziness, sugar cravings, cramps, sore muscles, and bad breath. This is identified either all or part of them as “keto flu” by many.

The following is a good article from the UChicago Medicine Ingalls Memorial. The author, Rachel Kleinman is an RDN, LDN, clinical dietitian at Ingalls.

https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/health-and-wellness-articles/2019/june/ketogenic-diet-what-are-the-risks

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11 posted on 09/14/2019 8:34:53 AM PDT by Redwood71
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To: Redwood71

Someone with serious thyroid problems or diabetes probably OUGHT to be cautious about diet changes. But keto - and I don’t follow a keto diet BTW - is NOT dangerous for normal overweight people. Certainly not nearly as dangerous as continuing to follow the “low fat” advice from the AHA & USDA that has done some much to make America swell up like a balloon.

““There are heart-healthy sources of fat, however if that person is not educated on heart-healthy sources of fat, they may consume excessive amounts of saturated fats that can increase your risk of heart disease,” Condon said.”

Someone hasn’t kept up with research, eh! HUGE difference between eating half of a double-stuff pizza and eating a couple of slices of cheese for dinner. It isn’t the “saturated fat” but what so many people eat ALONG WITH the saturated fat - the bread, the sugar, and the high-carb lifestyle that encourages cravings for more and more food!

From your article again:

“The keto diet could cause low blood pressure, kidney stones, constipation, nutrient deficiencies and an increased risk of heart disease. Strict diets like keto could also cause social isolation or disordered eating.”

Yeah, and the damn bogyman is under your bed and will attack you at night! Good grief! “social isolation or disordered eating”??????? Low blood pressure? Most people who switch to a keto diet are TRYING to lower their blood pressure! Mine, on my “not exactly keto diet” has come down 20 points. THAT IS A GOOD THING!

What world does she live in?

If someone takes insulin, they probably ought to be cautious about trying a diet that is supposed to affect insulin levels. No kidding.But to call a keto diet dangerous? It’s THE SUGAR DIET that is killing us!


14 posted on 09/14/2019 8:52:24 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: Redwood71
"Keto diets are dangerous in that the body doesn’t react the same to stimulus all the time. And the stimulus is different all the time. It’s like choosing to step into the batters box and try to determine if the pitch is on one side over the plate or behind you to hit it."

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

"But those are healthy people that are not burdened with health issues like diabetes or thyroid problems to name a couple. For people like those, a keto diet can lead to ketoacidosis which occurs when the body produces dangerously high levels of ketones. Ketoacidosis can be life threatening as it is even capable of causing swelling of the brain thus death. And the entire intent of the keto diet is to place the body in the beginning stages of this dangerous effect."

Ketoacidosis and ketosis are different things. Ketosis is not the first stage of ketoacidosis. Type Is do have to be careful switching to a ketogenic diet because they are probably taking medication to control glucose, and the glucose suddenly drops. Medication has to be adjusted as well. Taking that into account, the diet is the best thing they can do.

"In the first week or so of the diet expect the possibility of these symptoms: headache, fatigue, brain fog, irritability, constipation, trouble sleeping, nausea, stomachache, dizziness, sugar cravings, cramps, sore muscles, and bad breath. This is identified either all or part of them as “keto flu” by many."

Something not all people encounter, and not something that makes the diet dangerous. It seems to be related to not getting enough electrolytes and might be avoided by taking in more salt.

"The following is a good article from the UChicago Medicine Ingalls Memorial. The author, Rachel Kleinman is an RDN, LDN, clinical dietitian at Ingalls."

Here's the problem with getting advice from dietitians. They were trained under a certain paradigm about what a healthy diet was, and they've practiced that in their careers. Very few are going to suddenly turn around and say all that was wrong. It would be effectively nullifying all their training and expertise. Yet that is the truth, all that was wrong. The paradigm is shifting. Dietitians are the old guard.

23 posted on 09/14/2019 9:52:11 AM PDT by mlo
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To: Redwood71
In the first week or so of the diet expect the possibility of these symptoms: headache, fatigue, brain fog, irritability, constipation, trouble sleeping, nausea, stomachache, dizziness, sugar cravings, cramps, sore muscles, and bad breath. This is identified either all or part of them as “keto flu” by many.

To be clear, yes, this can happen but it doesn't have to. The simple and easy way to prevent it is to go into a state of ketosis slower than cutting down to 20mg of carbs a day. I avoided this "keto flu" by simply allowing myself some extra carbs during the transition stage from carb/sugar burning to fat burning. My way was to simply have a half a bowl of cereal at some point; either lunch or for dinner desert. I said half a bowl because prior to starting back on keto I would routinely have a full bowl; sometimes twice a day. Yep; I like cereal but I know it's not really good for me.

I like pancakes too so I got some almond flour to get my pancake fix once in a while. I consider it a treat. The homemade ice cream made with heavy whipping cream, vanilla extract, some vanilla protein powder, and 3 spoons of Swerve sugar substitute in a mason jar is another one of my favorite treats. In fact I think I'll make some now for tonight's treat. :)

26 posted on 09/14/2019 11:11:28 AM PDT by Boomer (Our melting pot has turned into a pressure cooker)
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To: Redwood71
She, and you, are both wrong.

The ADA admits it’s the diet that actually causes diabetes remission, but when they said that more than 15 years ago, they didn’t think it was sustainable.

Ketoacidosis is completely different from ketosis. Ketosis doesn’t cause ketoacidosis. In fact, you can’t get ketoacidosis unless you have serious issues that ketosis has nothing to do with.

Ketoacidosis is a concern with those with issues with alcoholism, some diabetics, and thyroid conditions. Ketosis does not cause ketoacidosis. In fact, those in full ketosis are experiencing 5-20 mg/dl of ketone levels, while ketoacidosis exceeds 200mg/dl ketone levels.

In other words, ketosis can’t get you to ketoacidosis. You go into ketoacidosis because of other issues from other situations.

More posted in links within these posts from another thread:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3775861/posts?page=194#194
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3775861/posts?page=195#195

58 posted on 09/14/2019 6:00:58 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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