Posted on 08/24/2019 6:59:49 AM PDT by Monrose72
Soooo... you think that having an undeclared a non-shooting “war” featuring mostly trade negotiations is sufficient for imposing war powers? Sounds like you want a despot. How would this not apply to ALL international actions?
“National Emergency Act. (Pub.L. 94–412, 90 Stat. 1255, enacted September 14, 1976, codified at 50 U.S.C. § 1601-1651) is a United States federal law passed to end all previous national emergencies and to formalize the emergency powers of the President.”
If there were any conservative judges who respected the original intent of the Constitution any law giving the president “emergency powers”, such as dictating where companies can do business, would be declared unconstitutional.
Trump attempting to rule by edict is a sure way of assuring he will lose the 2020 election. This voter will not condone tyranny from the left, the center, or the right.
Congress has evidently given Trump the power here. And I trust Trump. He will do what’s best for the country.
But like you, I am concerned about this. Congress has given away too much of its power. The most glaring example of that was Bush II’s invasion and occupation of Iraq. Whether you think that move was wise or not, it was a full-blown war with no declaration of war from Congress.
I look upon it in this way , China is an enemy on an economic and militaristic level . The business practices within a communist country as compared to our constitutional republic are like night and day . I begrudge no company to make a dollar but , if we as a nation demanded all proprietary and intellectual properties in order for a foreign company to manufacture within our borders our courts would be deluged with cases arguing the legality of such actions. This to me is an emergency that has been long brewing . The President Donald John Trump to me is VERY prudent to shine the light of day on this long smoldering situation which is abetted by congress and the senate who take monies from lobbyists who represent this communist dictatorship who DOES manipulate its currency and also has definite militaristic intentions when all the while weakening our ability to produce a basic “widget” which leaves our beautiful Republic extremely vulnerable . Go for it President Trump and confront this adversary . I love this man and pray that God protects him from the Godless heathens who have sold their soul and see nothing wrong with the undermining of our nation . (The idiots have forgotten the myriad of laws they pass and now it bites them in the rear...I LOVE IT!)
If Trump can willy-nilly order companies to stop doing business overseas, then Obama could do the same thing. Just say “It is an emergency” and the President has total authority over all business.
That is totally wrong. If Congress declares war, or the President can convince Congress X is an emergency, then he can do a number of things. But China responding to our tariffs by imposing their tariffs is hardly an emergency.
We used to tell people, “What Obama can do, a conservative President can do.” We were right to sound that warning then. Now...what Trump can do, Warren can do.
How many here believe Elizabeth Warren should be able to tell a business to pull out of Israel immediately? Or to stop lending money to any business that sells guns because “Guns are a national emergency”?
Do y’all see NO LIMIT on presidential power? And do you want to live in that world when, as will eventually happen, a Democrat is President?
You see how he has the media saying he can’t order businesses to stop allowing a drug into the country that ruins entire towns?
And, yes he does. Falls under import/export he could order it with a stroke of a pen
Good clarification. Too many “ gotcha headlines/analysis “ on his simple statement re the drug side. The media instead focuses on the potential controversy side.
Nice to see him this morning naming past presidents who allowed this to happen.
Think the Clintons as ultimate grifters, and the non reporting of all the Chinese campaign contributions, tech sales....
Honestly, I’m trying to figure out how we got to a point where American companies were able to set up shop in a communist dictatorship, and people be OK with it.
People would have been appalled if companies set up operations in the USSR, but we have people on this site that tacitly defend the loss of manufacturing and commerce to China.
So...if a country acts in a way we dislike, President Kamala Harris could order all businesses to pull out of that country? Could she also tell companies they cannot make guns because “Guns are a national emergency”? If South Korea does something she doesn’t like, could she ban imports and require businesses to pull out of South Korea?
His actual quote re powers
Trump said, “Well, in 1977, we had an act passed, a national emergency act. I have the absolute right to do that. We’ll see how that goes, but I have the absolute right.”
The MSM misses his subtle directness. He lets them know what he “ can “ use.
They communicate it as he has already made that decision.
Pure clickbait....
The President is the Chief Executive of the Executive Branch of Government.
I said IF congress gave the President power to stop all business with another nation, then he is not being a dictator.
The difference is, a despot would not require any authority from Congress. See the difference?
Now if Congress does not agree they can repeal the authority or if they believe he is acting like a dictator they can impeach him. If our President was a “despot” he would not allow either things to happen. See the difference.
So until Congress repeals the act, the President is free to use the powers given to him. That does not make him a dictator.
Actually it will and his trolling is fine. China has been manipulating its markets and currency forever based upon selling their labor to us. That door is closed.
Your concern trolling, however, is noted.
Like it or not we are back in a “cold war” only with China this time.
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... and I say “good.”
I’m sick of having NO OPTION other than to buy cheap Chinese CRAP for just about every non-food item you can think of, just because greedy, unAmerican companies sold out the United States for slave labor in third world shitholes (like China).
So I’m with Trump - bring the work BACK to the United States, make things well, sell things here, and put the country back on top - where it was 50 years ago, before we were sold out.
Whether you think that move was wise or not, it was a full-blown war with no declaration of war from Congress.
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You’re forgetting we live in a different age here, while (more than) half of those corrupt vermin in Congress don’t have the IQ to tell their asses from their elbows - and EVERY single person on Team RAT is either corrupt or irredeemably mentally ill. Personally, I don’t WANT those dim-wits having the power to declare war. I don’t want them having power of ANY kind.
The problem with taking Chinese money is you’re greedy again an hour later.
AOC is that you?
Of course under the Act, he has to formally declare an emergency before he can use the powers, and Congress can terminate any measures he orders at any time.
> If Trump can willy-nilly order companies to stop doing business overseas, then Obama could do the same thing. Just say “It is an emergency” and the President has total authority over all business. <
That is a most excellent point. Because sooner or later, there will be another Democrat President. I shudder to think how a President Warren or a President Sanders would use those “emergency powers”.
As most of us here know, Eastern Europe (Poland, Hungary, etc.) is taking a strong stand against the Muslim invasion. Perhaps President Warren would declare that to be a “humanitarian emergency”, and forbid all business dealings with Eastern Europe. No vote in Congress.
Would any of us here be okay with that?
didn’t nixon use it more than once
Everyone is ignoring this part: Trump also said China had not lived up to promises to stop fentanyl shipments to the U.S. As a result, he said he was ordering FedEx, Amazon, UPS , and the U.S. Post Office search for and destroy any fentanyl in shipments from China. Every ship needs searched too. 2 ships out of Philly had 20 tons of Cocaine https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Cargo-Ship-That-Carried-20-Tons-of-Cocaine-Seized-by-US-Law-Enforcement-512420902.html. OF COURSE NOT, ILLICIT IMPORTATION OF FENTANYL IS HUGE BUSINESS TO THE CHINESE CARTELS.
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