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To: BroJoeK
And thus DiogenesLamp again reveals the true purpose of Lost Cause mythology -- to convince Americans that Lincoln & Company were liberal Democrats while Confederates were the true Conservative Republicans

Let's see.

Race obsessed? Check.

Liberal? Check.

Big City? Check.

Corruption? Check.

Having the most support in the areas which are still today bastions of Liberal Democrat power? Check.

Tax and Spend? Check.

Loved Big government projects? Check.

Protectionist? Check.

Advocates of "Change"? Check.

Backed by big money in the big cities? Check.

Supported by the International "globalist" types? Check.

Grew government power? Check.

Victim hood politics like Modern Liberal Democrats? Check.

Handing out government goodies in trades for votes? Check.

Cracking down on Freedom of Speech? Check.

And countless other similarities to Modern Democrats.

213 posted on 08/02/2019 7:16:21 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; OIFVeteran; rockrr; Bull Snipe; Pelham
DiogenesLamp: "Let's see.

  1. "Race obsessed? Check." = 1860 & 2019 Democrats.

  2. "Liberal? Check." = 1860 & 2019 Democrats, meaning opposed to Constitutional originalism

  3. "Big City? Check." = 1860 & 2019 Democrats, see 1860 election returns by county.

  4. "Corruption? Check." = 1860 & 2019 Democrats, see Davis & Gadsden Purchase.

  5. "Having the most support in the areas which are still today bastions of Liberal Democrat power? Check." = 1860 & 2019 Democrats -- compare 1860 to 2016 election by county.

  6. "Tax and Spend? Check." = 1860 & 2019 Democrats, doubled spending & national debt in 1850s.

  7. "Loved Big government projects? Check." = 1860 & 2019 Democrats, see Davis & Gadsden Purchase.

  8. "Protectionist? Check." = 1860 & 2019 Democrats -- especially for their own products like sugar, tobacco & cotton.

  9. "Advocates of "Change"? Check." = 1860 & 2019 Democrats, especially change which advanced slavery.

  10. "Backed by big money in the big cities? Check." = 1860 & 2019 Democrats -- New York and Deep South were joined at the hip economically, politically, socially.

  11. "Supported by the International "globalist" types? Check." = 1860 & 2019 Democrats -- Southern planters were the original globalists.

  12. "Grew government power? Check. " = 1860 & 2019 Democrats -- especially power to protect slavery, see Dred Scott.

  13. "Victim hood politics like Modern Liberal Democrats? Check. " = 1860 & 2019 Democrats, especially "victims" of John Brown!

  14. "Handing out government goodies in trades for votes? Check." = 1860 & 2019 Democrats -- that is their founding principle.

  15. "Cracking down on Freedom of Speech? Check." = 1860 & 2019 Democrats -- remember the original "gag rule" in Congress?

  16. "And countless other similarities to Modern Democrats." = 1860 & 2019 Democrats.

222 posted on 08/02/2019 8:58:25 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: DiogenesLamp; BroJoeK; rockrr; DoodleDawg
Protectionist? Check.

Uh ... who was more protectionist in 2016?

Did you sleep through the last four years?

Advocates of "Change"? Check.

Who was advocating change in 1861?

Compared to the secessionists, Lincoln was a status quo candidate.

Big City? Check.

...

Backed by big money in the big cities? Check.

Repetitious? Check.

Untrue? Check.

Douglas carried New York and San Francisco. He would have carried more large cities, as Buchanan had, if the Democrats had remained united. It became a point of pride in the free states to vote for the Republican, so Lincoln did better in Northern cities than Fremont did, but nobody could seriously maintain that the Republicans were the candidate of the big cities. They got their largest pluralities in Northern rural counties. The South had cities too and Lincoln won no votes there.

And who did the "Big Money" back? It's hard to say. Merchants and shippers in cities like New York and Baltimore stayed with the Democrats. Protectionism swung Philadelphia to the Republicans, narrowly. But objective observers in 1860 wouldn't have seen Lincoln as the candidate of "Big Money, though he did appeal to some who wanted to become rich and eventually did.

Supported by the International "globalist" types? Check.

Who did the "International 'globalist" types" in London and Paris like? The Democrats and secessionists. Free trade. The elimination of a powerful trade rival.

Victim hood politics like Modern Liberal Democrats? Check.

Idiot. Look at how slaveholders talked about themselves and the crimes and injustices committed against them by the free states. It was one long complaint for the slaveholders. The poor South. The poor South. Slaveowners just can't get a break in the USA.

Grew government power? Check.

...

Cracking down on Freedom of Speech? Check.

Seriously, you need to review the policies of Jefferson Davis.

234 posted on 08/02/2019 1:50:56 PM PDT by x
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