Posted on 07/03/2019 10:02:55 AM PDT by Perseverando
I am puzzled by your comment about Jackson not being shot by his own men by mistake please explain—
If Jackson had been deliberately shot by his own men—then what?
Would the war have ended then? Did there exist rumors to shoot Jackson? I have not have heard of such but just cannot decipher what is meant.
Thanks
No, I am saying that Jackson would not have disagreed with any plan that Lee assigned to him. He would have carried out his orders.
If Jackson had been deliberately shot by his own men—then what?
If Jackson had not then he would have been at Gettysburg at some time or another. Lee's plan to divide his army into three corps was developed before Chancellorsville and would have been implemented whether Jackson survived that battle or not. We have no way of knowing if Jackson would have arrived at Gettysburg from the north or the west, whether he would have been in Hill's place or Ewell's.
Probably both. Didn't he commanded both of those corps as one before his death? The Lee split it into two?
You assume that Jackson would have been the one coming in from the North. Lee had long planned on reorganizing the Army of Northern Virginia into three corps and Ewell was always slated to get the third one. Jackson could just have easily arrived from the west, as Hill did.
15th Alabama were the boys fighting Col. Chamberlain's 20th Main on Little Round top on day 2.
Lee's plan to split his army into three corps was begun long before Chancellorsville and would have happened regardless of whether Jackson had been killed or not. He had felt for some time that two corps of four divisions each was unwieldy. Lee would have started his campaign under the new organization and Ewell would have commanded the third corps.
I’m of the same opinion. The entire Yankee line would’ve easily folded with a bold attack on Cemetary Hill, especially after heavy over 100 miles of marching for the past 5 days in the heat.
I’m also of the opinion that Lee should’ve withdrawn after the 1st further South to feint a direct assault on DC considering the failure to take that hill.
Why do you say this? I have not read that before. Hill had acquitted himself quite well to that point except for not being able to get along with his superiors. He fought hardest in the 7 days and was the hero who saved the day at Antietam. Ewell was a good fighter with a good rep but had been pretty much out of commission since losing his leg at 2 Manasses and was, as such, a bit of an unknown quantity.
Gen Longstreet (not without his faults) had a large bullseye on his back from the 1870’s(+). Freeman, and later Dowdey’s EPIC Lee biography in 1965 picks, carries on the disdain for Longstreet. Never misses an oppt’y to beat on him. No doubt to build up the South’s much needed hero status toward Lee and find fault elsewhere. Longstreet’s joining the R Party later sealed the deal even his family considered him a traitor at that point.
The GREAT Dr Robertson rejects aa 'Stonewall at Gettysburg' theories. Gettysburg was an accidental intersection of two armies; wrong place right time. Lee's armies were good for 10 mi a day. Jackson; 25 mi a day. There would be no Gettysburg; both armies would not have been there, same time. Dr. Robertson expects Jackson would have met the Union army 'at about Schenectady NY or Bangor, ME' (LoL)
Or at least consolidated on and dug into Seminary Ridge and forced Mead to attack him. (Meade admitted later that he would have done so.) This is the course of action Edward Porter Alexander thinks they should have done. Lee's excuses for not doing so are unpersuasive.
For the pure tactician I think Chancellorsville is the most studied battle, ever.
Because Ewell was senior to Hill, had recovered from his Second Bull Run wound, and was ready for another command.
I think Lee got lucky at Chancellorsville. Hooker plain and simple lost that one on his own accord through sheer incompetence.
Longstreet is from Gainesville, Ga - not far from where I was raised. I have a lot of respect for him.
IMHO he did his best given his circumstances and knowledge at hand throughout the war.
He’ll always be in Jackson’s shadow unfortunately.
I don't know that would have been a deciding factor. The first thing Lee did after the 7 days was to reorganize his army, primarily by advancing less senior officers based on their performance in the field. He would have gone with whoever he thought best able to do the job, regardless of seniority.
Chancellorsville was the most interesting battle, at least to me anyways. So many moving parts.
Saying Civil War is racist.
It would have been. When Lee needed two corps commanders following Jackson's death, Hill's date of rank for Lieutenant General was one day after Ewell's so he remained the junior of the two. Had Jackson survived, Ewell would have gotten the third corps.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.