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[I live up here, Hillary never had a shot here

You seem to be obsessed with he only won by x... turn your perspective and you will see, Trump just didn’t fluke a few extra votes in a few states.... That argument shows a complete lack of understanding of exactly how Trump won, why Trump won, and who Trump’s base is, and why they support him and why they will be there in even greater numbers in 2020.]

And yet he won by 0.5% in MI, PA and WI. What you call “obsession” is usually called a combo of empiricism coupled with logic. Your intuition that Trump was always going to win in those states is belied by the 0.5% margin. The way I look at it, a 10% margin is a sure thing. A 0.5% margin - not so much.

No it didn’t bely the margin, your obsession with the margin is like a bookie playing the over under.

Again, the fact you seem obsessed with the margin of the win, rather than the reality of what happened to create that win. You need to flip your perspective and you will realize your hand wringing is foolish.

Trump aimed his spear right up here to the rust belt right out of the gate, he did it with his policies on Immigration and trade, and in the process got more votes than any other Republican in history in these states.

If anything the democratic policies on these matters are even more extreme and out of touch with the voters here than they were in 16.. and Trump is no longer the unknown boogie man, that the DNC and Hillary painted him as, trying desperately to hold on.

In this part of the country the very voters who turned out for Trump in 16, have seen big time return on their votes, and their more skeptical neighbors have as well... Trumps base is NOT the GOP Base... and Trump is in NO danger of losing a single state he won in 2016.

Your argument only holds water if you believe, Hillary Lost the election... because if you believe that, then hey a small margin can be made up by a better candidate or message... But Hillary didn’t LOSE here, Trump WON.

You are welcome to keep hand wringing and chicken littleing all you like, but short of a major economic downturn, Trump is winning next fall by far better margins across the nation than he did in 16.

If you refuse to see it, that’s your choice.

All I can say is, if you think Trumps support in the Upper Midwest is going to decline on re-election and that democratic support is somehow going to swell, particularly in states that voted for Trump... You have some major blinders on.

You clearly don’t live in the upper midwest, and have no understanding of just exactly what and how Trump won. You also seem to not understand the very real motivations around US politics in general. No sitting president has lost re-election in an economic boom... hell 1 termers have only happened 4 times in the last ~120 years and 3 of them purely lost due to the economy.

If the economy tanks, before next November, then there is a reason for concern, short of that, there is absolutely ZERO chance the Democrats are taking the white house. But enjoy your hand wringing.