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Is The Last Call Bell About To Toll For Tesla?
SeekingAlpha.com ^ | April 9, 2019 | Seeking Alpha

Posted on 04/09/2019 7:02:45 AM PDT by KevinB

Summary:

1. Terrible first-quarter deliveries data was reported.

2. Cash and cash equivalents are shrinking.

3. The CEO's eccentric and whimsical behavior (and SEC scrutiny) taking focus off of running the business.

4. How long has Tesla really been in trouble?

Investment Thesis:

Despite producing and selling approximately 600,000 vehicles (including in 1Q19), Tesla (TSLA) has been unable to secure a path to financial safety. Using a relatively simple methodology, The Altman Z-score, plotted quarterly since 2010, shows us just how perilous the company's situation is.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: corporatewelfare; elonmusk; fascism; musk; obamalegacy; spacex; tesla; teslamotors
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To: bigbob

The big prize is autonomous vehicles. Doesn’t have to be electric vehicles either.


21 posted on 04/09/2019 7:50:05 AM PDT by subterfuge (RIP T.P.)
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To: eyeamok

Okay, say “we” should. I deputize you to get right on it, let me know how it works out.


22 posted on 04/09/2019 7:54:49 AM PDT by TheDandyMan
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To: dynoman

LOL. Considering whats going on with tesla, he might as well have.


23 posted on 04/09/2019 7:55:14 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: subterfuge
Electric is pointless at the moment because it contradicts the point of why people want electric in the first place (besides those who just want to save money on gas and have a place to plug in where they aren’t paying the electricity bill). They think they’re being ecologically responsible by not using fossil fuels, and then they plug their car into a grid that is powered by coal-burning plants.

Once carbon is taken out of the energy equation electric cars would make sense. But even if renewable gets to that point for use, what’s the impact, long-term, of manufacturing and disposing of solar panels for example? I’m not a scientist or an engineer and I have no idea, but I would guess it might end up being a problem eventually.

24 posted on 04/09/2019 8:01:15 AM PDT by TheDandyMan
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To: redfreedom

I believe Toyota owned that plant in Fremont before and shut it down rather than let the UAW bankrupt them. Doubt if they volunteer to take another bite of that apple.
My Tesla is running like a dream. :)


25 posted on 04/09/2019 8:02:25 AM PDT by willgolfforfood
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To: Ouderkirk
. . . for Toyota is to let Tesla collapse. Then sort out what’s left. Take their patents and technology...let their warranty obligations go.
Exactly. There are dozens of websites devoted to Tesla owners complaining -- even bragging -- about their cars' many flaws and breakdowns, and the difficulty in getting them serviced.
26 posted on 04/09/2019 8:06:32 AM PDT by Blurb2350
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To: StolarStorm

“Short selling is evil by nature, gaining from misfortune.”

But it’s fun to watch them scurry around during a short squeeze.


27 posted on 04/09/2019 8:07:25 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: redfreedom
In fact, I can see Toyota taking Tesla's technology portfolio and applying it to all the vehicles that use the three versions of the Toyota New Generation Architecture (TNGA) platform, which was designed to accommodate an all-electric drivetrain if needed. The possibility of a future version of the Toyota Corolla sedan using a Tesla technology drivetrain isn't so far-fetched.
28 posted on 04/09/2019 8:11:15 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's Economic Cure)
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To: StolarStorm

My regular gas stop has ten Tesla charging stations. I have only seen one in use in the last six months. I watch as I drive by.


29 posted on 04/09/2019 8:12:53 AM PDT by Oldexpat (Jobs Not Mobs)
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To: willgolfforfood; redfreedom
New United Motor Manufacturing, Inc. (NUMMI) was an automobile manufacturing company in Fremont, California, jointly owned by General Motors and Toyota that opened in 1984 and closed in 2010. On October 27, 2010, its former plant reopened as a 100% Tesla Motors-owned production facility, known as the Tesla Factory

NUMMI was established at the former General Motors Fremont Assembly site that closed in 1982; it had been a GM plant since 1962. GM and Toyota reopened the factory as a joint venture in 1984 to manufacture vehicles to be sold under both brands.

GM saw the joint venture as an opportunity to learn about lean manufacturing from the Japanese company, while Toyota gained its first manufacturing base in North America and a chance to implement its Taylorism-inspired production system in an American labor environment, avoiding possible import restrictions. GM employees went to Toyota's Takaoka plant in Japan and improved production at NUMMI, Spring Hill and other sites, particularly after Jack Smith spread the program.

Up to May 2010, NUMMI built an average of 6000 vehicles a week, or nearly eight million cars and trucks since opening in 1984. In 1997, NUMMI produced 357,809 cars and trucks, peaking at 428,633 units in 2006.

However, at 9:40am on April 1, 2010, the plant produced its last car, a red Toyota Corolla S believed to be destined for a museum in Japan.[citation needed] Production of Corollas in North America moved to Toyota Motor Manufacturing Mississippi's assembly plant in Blue Springs, Mississippi and Toyota Motor Manufacturing Canada's 'North' assembly plant in Cambridge, Ontario.

On May 20, 2010, it was announced that Tesla Motors had purchased part of the NUMMI plant and renamed it Tesla Factory, producing the Tesla Model S.

Courtesy Wikipedia

My wife's cousin worked at the GM plant before it became NUMMI. He got laid off and collected about a year of union benefits before finally getting off his ass and moving to another part of the country to work in a different GM plant.

30 posted on 04/09/2019 8:21:41 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: KevinB

His only yuge mistakes:

1. Pointing out the Brit homo/pedo

2. Smoking that joint ON CAMERA

3. “Who owns the media..? Hello..?!”

Take those 3 things away, and you’d simply have an eccentric, high-risk entrepreneur.

But especially the last of those 3 put him in extreme danger.

The Beast doesn’t like to be poked and it NEEDS to be fed.


31 posted on 04/09/2019 8:23:30 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Mr. K

“The kids love ‘em. I heard my duaghter and all her freinds talking about how they wanted to get a Tesla just the other day. 19-20 yrs old age group.”

uh, yeah. when i was a kid my dream was to own a tiny toyota corolla or a datsun pickup, but it was many years before i could afford to own one ... i seriously doubt that there are that many 19-20 year olds (or their parents) who can pluck down $35,000 for a Model 3 ...


32 posted on 04/09/2019 8:25:24 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: RayChuang88

Actually it might be Fiat/Chrysler that buys them out

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3740349/posts?page=9

FCM just paid Tesla about 500 million to count Tesla sales with Fiat and Chrysler European sales. Tesla gets money and Fiat average pollution for all European car sales goes down.

But in the short term Tesla gets a cash infusion.


33 posted on 04/09/2019 8:29:25 AM PDT by sloanrb
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To: gaijin

He did one half-hearted puff and went on to talk about how he never uses marijuana. I hadn’t seen the interview until recently and was pretty underwhelmed after hearing for months “he smoked weed on camera!”


34 posted on 04/09/2019 8:34:47 AM PDT by TheDandyMan
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To: cuban leaf

“I saw a youtube video that tore down electric cars from various manufacturers and compared their quality and viability.”

Of the few I know who own electric cars...I enjoy telling them they have a coal powered vehicle. Then they look at me like I’m crazy until I remind them where the electricity comes from around these parts.


35 posted on 04/09/2019 8:36:24 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: gaijin
You don't think that Musk falsely tweeting that he had obtained funding to take Tesla private at $420 per share was a huge mistake? It certainly would have seemed so to the investors who acted assuming its truthfulness and were thereby harmed.

Also, he did not point out that Unsworth was a homo/pedo, but accused him of being a pedo with, from what I have read, no evidence whatsoever that it's true. His argument was essentially that any middle-aged, unmarried guy who lives in Thailand must be a pedo.

Both of those are irresponsible actions for which there should be repercussions. I have no interest whatsoever in the well-being or not of Tesla or Musk, but simply can't see any grand political conspiracy to take it/him down.

36 posted on 04/09/2019 8:49:14 AM PDT by KevinB (If I'm ever arrested, I'm switching parties.)
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To: Mr. K

sarcasm?


37 posted on 04/09/2019 9:04:00 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: WKUHilltopper

When I moved to KY, one of the first photos I took was of a black Prius with one of those “special issue” license plates that said, “friend of coal.”

Yeah, I know they are not full electrics powered from an outlet, but I still thought it was pretty darned funny. :D


38 posted on 04/09/2019 9:04:10 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: RayChuang88

Tesla doesn’t really own much IP that would be worth acquiring. There are other assets I guess, but it looks more like a liquidation than a takeover.


39 posted on 04/09/2019 9:05:31 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs
Tesla doesn’t really own much IP that would be worth acquiring. There are other assets I guess, but it looks more like a liquidation than a takeover.

But they have three critical ones--the electric drive system, the battery pack technology and the battery charging technology. That's something the likes of Toyota would love to get their hands on.

40 posted on 04/09/2019 9:35:29 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's Economic Cure)
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