Posted on 03/15/2019 10:22:08 AM PDT by C19fan
I’m not on her side on this, but they don’t need to do anything other than engineer her heartfelt loss. Just a suggestion, since I don’t watch Hallmark anyway.
Who gives a crap. “it’s just this bunch of frauds...showing off an erudition they didn’t really have.”
I'd say that donating to the school would be perfectly legal, but paying off individual persons would not. Cheating on the tests probably is too. But I'm not a lawyer, and haven't got the stomach to be one.
Basically, here’s what they did:
They paid people to cheat on college admissions tests for their kids.
They bribed coaches and other people to lie that their kids were athletes.
And, they deducted all that money on their tax forms as “charitable contributions.”
If a person pays to have a third party submit a fraudulent SAT score and an application to fraudulently obtain an athletic scholarship or even a Title IX set-aside, that doesn't seem legit to me.
In 2017, next. Must be awesome to be perfect like you.
They did NOT "make a donation to the school"...what they did is bribe a coach, pay some someone to write one of the girl's college applications and fix her SAT grade. Then to pay off the "fixer", they donated money to his "charity", from which he paid off the coach and other expenses, and then, to top it all off, DEDUCTED THAT DONATION TO THE PHONY CHARITY, FROM THEIR FEDERAL TAXES !
Every single thing I posted, above, is illegal; especially lying on their tax returns; which they did twice!
Do you even know what mail fraud is? It appears that you don't.
The college applications were sent through the mail, so were their false tax stuff AND the payments to the phony charity.
And then there are all of the emails and letters that went between the "fixer", the school, the coach, the admissions officer and the parents.
Paying other people to take SAT and other tests, lying about sports participation for sports scholarship type entrance....I’d say that’s illegal and certainly immoral (as the libs like to say lately) since these placemets were undeserved, replacing those who were actually qualified. There, now you knpw.
Calm down, psycho. Jeeze...
I think the problem for me is that I am having a hard time distinguishing between the public and private side of the issue. If instead of USC, it was a private, for profit college involved, would it still be illegal?
I get that it is immoral to lie. If I ran a business and my employees were taking bribes, I would fire them....but just from a high level view of it...
Let’s you offer a service and you have certain rules and regulation in place so that your business runs smoothly and efficiently and provides the best service. For example, let’s say you run a gym. Let’s say potential members must pass a physical exam and demonstrate a certain level of fitness. Let’s say you have rules that members must put their towels away and they can’t wear street shoes in the locker room and they are not allowed to leave their underwear hanging up to dry, etc...
If someone were to say, “I am rich and I don’t want to follow your rules. I can’t pass your fitness test because I am too out of shape. Here is an extra $10,000 so that I don’t have to.”
Would that be illegal?
Is the real difference here that USC is a public institution? It seems like everyone from the administration down was involved in this scheme so who was actually defrauded by this? I get that 2 students may have been denied admission in place of these 2 girls and they very well could have a good civil suit.
The studio exec probably picked the winner based on the casting couch audition.
“I don’t see the illegality in any of this.”
Let me help. They paid someone to help cheat on the SAT tests by funneling money through a fraudulent non profit. They used the phones and email to do it.
Multiple felonies right there.
Then they knowingly wrote off those phony donations on their taxes. Felonies again.
Does that help?
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I explained to you what mail fraud is and you ignored it or lack the ability to understand simple English prose.
The rules for taking the SAT and the ACT are set by a private company; the ones who write and distribute those exams. It has always been illegal to pay someone else to take them for the student/give the test taker the answers/correct the wrong answers. When they are caught, they and the student have always been prosecuted. And the mail fraud comes in, with this, because the tests and scores are sent through the U.S. Mail!
Your examples are patently ridiculous, as well as stupid!
You'd only fore a high level employee who took a bribe, but not a low level one? WHY? Stealing and bribery are stealing and/or bribery no matter who does it!
If you take a bribe/bend the rules for an obese person, who wants to join your gym and that person gets injured, due to the weight issue, that person will sue you! But, as I said, that example is ruefully ignorant and stupid!
What difference does it make if the college or university is a private one or a public institution? The rules were still broken, the bribery went on, the mail fraud, which is a Federal offense is still a Federal offense, and many private colleges and universities accept Federal grants and other types of money from the government!
Stanford, Yale, and Harvard are private institutions.
USC is a public one.
All of these schools are now embroiled in this scandal.
That you are having so many problems understanding this and the info supplied to you, speaks very loudly about YOU!
Well, they didn’t mind being known for aiding child molesters. This is nothing compared to that.
Law would tap that
USC is a private institution. It’s the University of southern california. The public ones are all University of cal at-— And Cal state university
LAZ
But it really doesn't matter on whit, whether these schools are public or private institutions; the laws still apply.
They committed or attempted to commit fraud using mail or wire communications.
The fraud does have to have been successful. Though here in the cases I know about it seems to have been successful.
Also, there seems to probable cause for conspiracy to commit fraud + wire fraud + mail fraud. Again, for a conspiracy charge the underlying crime does not have to been completed or proved — just one overt act towards the completion of the underlying crime.
“To prove wire fraud government must show (1) scheme to defraud by means of false pretenses, (2) defendant’s knowing and willful participation in scheme with intent to defraud, and (3) use of interstate wire communications in furtherance of scheme” United States v. Maxwell, 920 F.2d 1028, 1035 (D.C. Cir. 1990)
Yes, I know, it is what I and others tried to explain to an extremely dense, uneducated, immoral poster, who claims to NOT understand why this is a “BIG DEAL” and has ignored every explanation as to WHY and HOW this is all illegal.
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