A black woman who lived in Britannia in Roman times "a lady of ivory bracelet"

Gigazine ^ | 14:30 Mar 02, 2010

[robowombat]

First graph has bizzare syntax as result of translation from Japanese.

[Regulator]

PC article trying to legitimize the wholesale invasion of Britain by Africans and South Asians since 2000 years ago one or two of them fell off a boat there.

[colorado tanker]

York was a Legion HQ and supported the Hadrian's Wall garrison. It makes sense it would be a relatively cosmopolitan place.

Would have been some real culture shock to go from Africa to the North of England.

[GraceG]

An exception is not a rule!!!

There were a few cases of native Americans washing up on European shores before coloumbus, but it doesn’t mean all Europeans were native Americans....

Historical odfities don’t justify European replacement

[Regulator]

It’s ridiculous.

340 years ago my ancestors came from York to America.

Don’t think any of them had African ancestry of any kind.

Won’t stop this kind of BS propaganda.

[fieldmarshaldj]

*ping*

[Roman_War_Criminal]

BS - not buying it!
I’ll tell you why, they refuse to publish the DNA, and specifically the Mitochondrial DNA of the subject.

Fossils in Peru from “Alien” Indians are said to have Mitochondrial DNA from Europe and the Middle East. They refuse to publish those findings.

Actually. This article below, though far fetched and I’m not 100% convinced - is more believable than this conclusion.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8154490/Chinese-villagers-descended-from-Roman-soldiers.html

[Tennessee Nana]

PING

[nopardons]

Ancient Carthage was in Northern Africa an d the people who lived there were NOT members of the Negroid race; they were Caucasoids. As were others who lived in that region.

Egypt had different races, mostly due to slavery and one very brief time when blacks conquered it in battle and took the throne, but did NOT bring in hordes of people from where they were from.

[robowombat]

Are these the remnant of the Roman army defeated at Carhae by the Parthians and then captured again by the Han Chinese who defeated a Parthian army in a border war? As to the identity of this woman, Rome was effectively a global empire in the ancient world. There was more movement between regions than for a thousand years after the empire in the west disintegrated. so there is nothing intrinsically wrong with an African ending up in Britannia.Mauretania was a not insignificant part of the empire. Mauritanian units served in the Imperial Army and some Mauritanians rose to high estate in the empire, although these were mostly Berbers. The Roman Empire was a sophisticated and multicultural entity. Entree by non-Latins and Greeks was contingent upon significant cultural assimilation and fealty to the emperor through the cult of emperor worship. What is most interesting is this woman appears to have led an upper class lifestyle and was an adherent to Christianity. That is congruent with the thesis that upper class Roman matrons were the first large upper class group in the empire to embrace the new religion.

[nopardons]

SPOT ON!

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Tennessee Nana and fieldmarshaldj. The reason for reading this topic are legion. /rs

[GaryCrow]

I saw Mary, Queen of Scots on DVD last night. What a load of politically correct drivel it was. They portrayed the courts of Elizabeth I and Mary as having blacks, asians, and a couple of puerto ricans. There was a flaming homosexual guy that was basically another lady in waiting and of course he was murdered for being a poofer by the hateful white men. When Mary rode through the Scottish countryside about a quarter of the scottish peasants were black. It really ruined the movie because you just couldn’t take the idea seriously that it was the mid 1500’s in England and Scotland when historical figures were portrayed by people of other races. Imagine a biography of JFK where Jackie was asian and Teddy was black. It blows all realism out of the water.

[SunkenCiv]

Tombstone of Lucius Duccius Rufinus, Yorkshire Museum, York
71AD - 120AD
http://www.historyofyork.org.uk/themes/the-romans-arrive/tombstone-of-a-roman-soldier
http://www.historyofyork.org.uk/inc/img.php/tpl/uploads/1YORYM_1998_19.jpg/240/1/fill

This is the tombstone of a Roman soldier from the Ninth Legion, called Lucius Ducchius Rufinus.  It was found in 1688 at Holy Trinity Church in Micklegate.

We know from the inscription that he actually came from Vienne in France rather than from Italy (if you click on the image you can see the inscription).

He was a standard-bearer, carrying the Legion’s emblem into battle, an important and dangerous job.

http://roman-britain.co.uk/places/eburacum.htm

“Lucius Duccius Volturius Rufinus, son of Lucius, from Vienne, Signifer of the Ninth Hispanic Legion, aged twenty-eight, he lies here.”

http://www.historyofyork.org.uk/themes/roman-empire-governed-from-york

The Roman world was governed from wherever the emperor was located. York was priviledged to be the heart of the Roman empire in two periods, about 100 years apart. Remarkably, both times the Emperor died in the city and both times a battle for succession began here.

This first time was when the emperor Septimius Severus lived in York between 208-11. Having restored stability to the empire after a period of civil war, he came to Eboracum (Roman York) to lead campaigns against the Caledonians who had been attacking Roman targets in the north of Britain.

Severus, known as the African Emperor because he was born in what is now Libya, was over 60 when he arrived in York.

(RIB 673; tombstone)

[SunkenCiv]

Time Team - Season 7, Episode 13 - "York" - York, Yorkshire

[Jonty30]

There have always been individuals who have traveled farther than their own people were normally able to do so.

It’s interesting, but not really news

[tbw2]

They found ONE black Mediterranean/black woman and act as if it means there were many of them in the area. No, there weren’t.

This insanity shows up in the latest historical cartoons of Roman Britain, too. It is a lie that there were all these black men in the Roman legions, marrying white women ... one guy in a thousand, probably. One third? Nope.

Aside from that is the propaganda. You see white slaves but never a black slave in the Roman empire - yet slavery was never a racial thing for Romans. There would have been slaves and masters of all races. Because of modern liberal propaganda, they aren’t allowed to show a black slave ... not even in a historical cartoon set in the Roman empire.

[bert]

So What?

[blam]

""The connection between Africans and slavery is born in modern times, there were all races and races in Roman times slaves" "

I've read that first, the Greeks, then later the Romans, made slave gathering raids to NW Europe because the 'Nordic Type' was favored as sex slaves, male and female.

[robowombat]

I beg your pardon.