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So what really happened with Trump's deal on Friday?

Well, first off, he brought the furloughed federal workers back and got them paid. That is now off the table. Second, Congress now owns the border wall. This is what should have happened in the first place. Let's place the blame where blame is due. During Obama's first two years, when they had the majority, they could have opened the borders permanently, but they didn't. They had the majority in both houses as well as 60 votes in the senate. Nothing happened. (Things that make you go hmmmmmm) This time around, the blame is 100% on Paul Ryan. Republicans had the majority and could have done this in the first month, but they went the same was as the Democrats in 2009. Why? (More hmmmmm and we need more analysis of this)

As the consummate project manager, Trump transferred the risk to the right place, congress. It is their responsibility to appropriate the funding for securing our country from foreign invaders. "Article 1, Section 8, Clause 1. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; 1."

I submit that Trump didn't cave. Trump's responsibility given to him by the Constitution is to protect our country from foreign invaders and rather than declaring a national emergency, Trump placed the funding for the border wall into the right hands. It now falls upon congress to appropriate the money the President is asking for.

Now Trump has leverage and the momentum to gain support for this as well as his 2020 run. If Congress fails to act, Trump can honestly say that he gave congress the chance to do this the right way and they failed, he can even blame Pelosi for this since funding will have to originate in congress. Now he can declare the national emergency, get his funding, build the wall and lay the blame at the feet of Pelosi, Schumer and any other elected swamp dweller who failed to do their job.

Finally, what Democrats and NeverTrumpers are fearing most is Trump now can give his state of the union speech to America and highlight the fact that congress now has the responsibility to provide the funding and failing to do so he can announce his plans to declare a national emergency and the government will stay open.

1 posted on 01/27/2019 7:49:17 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz
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He kicked the can down the road for three months. what’s the point? it’s not going to get easier in three weeks.

Just declare an emergency or have the military do it and be done with it.


2 posted on 01/27/2019 7:54:23 AM PST by Cubs Fan
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To: EQAndyBuzz

In the Navy, they have a saying “Keep a steady strain” which basically means as you hold onto a sheet (a rope connected to a sail) you need to keep the tension constant. Said in the same context as “Keep an even keel”.

Don’t get too high. Don’t get too low. Stay steady. I am doing the same thing with respect to the wall.


3 posted on 01/27/2019 7:56:55 AM PST by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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I think Scott Adams nails it.

https://blog.dilbert.com/2019/01/26/episode-391-scott-adams-who-won-the-border-security-negotiations-because-no-one-else-is-getting-it-right/

(hat tip marktwain)


4 posted on 01/27/2019 7:57:39 AM PST by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Better than most vanities. Focused, articulate, and logical.

“Now he can declare the national emergency”

Declaring a national emergency shouldn’t be necessary to build a barrier because section 284 clearly establishes his authority to do so.


6 posted on 01/27/2019 7:58:45 AM PST by be-baw
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Even more, if Pelosi says no to the SOTUS, he can and will declare a National Emergency. IMHO, should Congress recuse the SOTU’ he should under Article 2, Section 3, adjourn Congress.

Then issue an EO privatizing those parts of the federal government not covered under the 18 enumerated powers of Congress.


9 posted on 01/27/2019 8:01:46 AM PST by DownInFlames (Galsd)
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The same “conservatives” would be leaving the stadium at halftime, not understanding how the game was played and assuming it was over.

Maybe now - FINALLY - those who constantly doubt, underestimate, and second-guess Trump on FR will learn.

Probably not. Pearl-clutchers just gotta clutch...


10 posted on 01/27/2019 8:02:13 AM PST by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust the Plan.)
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The end game is the wall. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt but ultimately the wall has to be built.


12 posted on 01/27/2019 8:02:50 AM PST by Spok
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The only big picture I want to see is one of the completed wall.


13 posted on 01/27/2019 8:03:32 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.S)
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It’s 3 weeks...if it were 8 months, I’d call it a cave. For now, it’s just buying time - and also being sure that money gets flowing to both workers and contractors. It also gives the Senate time to get some more judges installed (at least 51 new ones), which could be a huge deal considering the condition of RGB (and, not to mention, 3 more weeks for her to ‘retire’, in some form).

Trump may still cave, particularly on DACA, but this wasn’t it.


16 posted on 01/27/2019 8:06:41 AM PST by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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I would imagine that Trump has to cover himself 360 for the judicial angle, being able to say that he tried to work with Congress and get the funding approved in the people’s house.


17 posted on 01/27/2019 8:07:34 AM PST by magna carta
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No he didn’t, he caved and now owns the shutdown. Now all he’s done is vindicate Pelosi for saying Drumpf stole the gubermint workers paychecks for no reason and the GOPE will never entertain another shutdown because they’ve been proven yet again that all they do is backfire on the GOP. It took Rush Limbaugh 20 years to bully the GOP put of this. I blame Jared Kushner for this garbage, his fingerprints are EVERYWHERE when Trump gets derailed, he’s a toxic viper who is constantly subverting Trump for his own agenda and using Ivanka as leverage to do so.


18 posted on 01/27/2019 8:08:28 AM PST by Shadow44
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Future scenario:

Trump declares a National Emergency.

The Commies get the 9th Circuit to impose an injunction against it.

The Enemedia celebrate, and one journo-slime asks Trump about it.

Trump pulls a Stalin and asks:
"How many divisions does the 9th circuit have?"

Re-election in 2020 GUARANTEED.

23 posted on 01/27/2019 8:16:05 AM PST by red-dawg (Climate change caused the end of the Ice Age. Did man play a part in it?)
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President Trump is actually President Sun Tzu.

Want to understand him? Read Sun Tzu until you understand him.

Paraphrasing: When you are more powerful than your opponent, pretend to be weak.


25 posted on 01/27/2019 8:17:39 AM PST by savedbygrace
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He caved....... for now. He lost the battle and public opinion. But he also got a chance to catch a breath and fight another day. It remains to be seen how this plays out.


31 posted on 01/27/2019 8:32:04 AM PST by del griffith
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“This time around, the blame is 100% on Paul Ryan.”

That is who I believe is most responsible for this fiasco. But its not over, and whether or not its genius, luck, or divine intervention... things eventually seem to straighten out and fly right with this President. So I am not going to get my bowels in an uproar over this episode like so many others.


32 posted on 01/27/2019 8:32:22 AM PST by fireman15
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I hope I’m wrong. But a lot of what I’m hearing sounds exactly like the excuses/explanations we got a year ago after the shutdown. We were told then “wait until next year’s budget.” Trump has had a year since then, most of the time with R majorities. He’s had months since Ds won the house with Rs in majority for over a month. Pelosi has said “no wall. no negotiations.” If there was a plan to do this without congress, there have been plenty of opportunities, reasons, and time. The lawsuits over that would already be in progress. If the plan is to do this with congress I’ll give up hope now.

We are rapidly running out of “next years” for Trump’s first term. And we can be sure that liberals (D and R) have plenty of lawsuits and other obstructions queued up waiting in case the wall gets funding - delay, delay, delay. I’d be willing to bet that “wait until next year” soon becomes “wait until Trump’s second term. He won’t need to worry about reelection then and he can ...”


34 posted on 01/27/2019 8:38:03 AM PST by LostPassword
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I can't and won't say Trump caved or didn't cave.

At this point he simply changed tactics.

Nothing has been agreed upon by both sides. Negotiations for an agreement are still on going. There is no final deal.

Democrats and their media have seized on this as Trump capitulating and they are using this to their advantage. They hope this will be THE wedge issue that will fracture Trumps' base.

It ain't over 'till it's over and it ain't over just yet.

There is no final deal. There are only ongoing negotiations.

We'll all have to wait and see what happens next and how things play out.

Until there's a final agreement there's no final agreement.

36 posted on 01/27/2019 8:42:25 AM PST by yesthatjallen
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Too much focus on the wall. If Trump doesn’t present the whole package, 1) wall 2) permanent eVerify 3) no more chain migration 4) birthright citizenship per Minor v. Happersett 5) terminate H1b and related visas 6) end immigration lottery 7) 10-yr moratorium on new citizenship applications, so the illegal aliens might as well just go back to their countries of origin now.


50 posted on 01/27/2019 9:21:44 AM PST by RideForever
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I submit that Trump didn’t cave.

When your favorite boxer gets rocked, in the 5th round of a 10 round fight, do you submit that he didn’t get rocked? Yeah Trump acts and reacts dynamically and may ju jitsu them yet or make lemonade of the lemons but things put him in a place where he didn’t want to be and he reset the board...by caving.

In all this talk of proper constitutional authority contemplate the fact that people in authority comitted vast crimes against the constitution and are presently engaged in investigating the president for a crime to be named later who THEMSELVES could be indicted by the President at will...and Trump has let them skate. Now add this facet to the contemplation: Trump has amply demonstrated that he thinks as you and I do in this matter yet he let’s it slide.

EVERYONE in government is against Trump. He KNOWS that applying the law to the malefactor’s will touch off the firestorm that he is presently using his considerable experience to finesse his way around. That firestorm will be Trump and a fraction of the 60 million against EVERYONE ELSE ON THE PLANET. Yeah he caved. He had to. He’s trying hard not to be the President during whose term the shit finally hit the fan.


51 posted on 01/27/2019 9:32:25 AM PST by TalBlack (It's hard to shoot people when they are shooting back at you...)
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Well said.


52 posted on 01/27/2019 9:36:33 AM PST by mbrfl
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