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To: Baynative

Cost of University education has nearly tripled relative to the economy. That holds true whether you’re looking at Transportation, housing, food, Etc. Paying for bloated professor salaries and the so-called research University status.

Look at the cost of going to a decent University in 1978, and then look at the same University today. Back then it was literally possible to do it on a pay-as-you-go system.
Today $30,000 University per annum is commonplace, 50,000 is not very rare. So to pay their way through school on a pay-as-you-go basis, a student would need some 50 or $60,000 a year job to pay the tuition, and live.
Of course, there are educational Alternatives out there. But I would easily say 80% of American universities are priced so high that it’s not possible for somebody out of high school to Simply obtain a job and do it on a pay-as-you-go basis.

The biggest driver of this increase of cost is making student loan debt non-dischargeable in bankruptcy, and the federal government taking over all student loans. This ensured that the universities could charge anything they wanted, the banks could loan it out knowing it could not be discharged in bankruptcy, so there is no Force out there that exerts a downward pressure on prices. Universities have no incentive to do so, and thanks incur no risk for making these loans tell the girls studying lesbian basket weaving who will emerge to find no jobs waiting.

The way to fix it is for the federal government to get out of the Federal Loan guarantee in business and turn those over to the private sector. And make them dischargeable in a bankruptcy. Then free market lenders would only give loans to people who had a reasonable chance to pay them back with the degree they were getting, and universities would need to lower prices to attract students willing to take on those loans.


4 posted on 12/18/2018 10:43:12 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: DesertRhino; Leaning Right; IamConservative
A good point regarding the ratio of cost to potential summer time earnings. In my college years 68-72, my tuition and books was about $700 a semester. I was able to earn $11.00 an hour working full time construction during the summer and about $60 a week working part time during the school year.

Looking at this list of affordable colleges , I can see the ability to make ends meet has changed considerably.

There could also be a greater prestige placed on the name of the school which I think gives the school a bit of a license to steal.

21 posted on 12/18/2018 10:58:11 AM PST by Baynative ("A man is not old until regrets take the place of dreams." - John Barrymore)
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To: DesertRhino
The way to fix it is for the federal government to get out of the Federal Loan guarantee in business and turn those over to the private sector. And make them dischargeable in a bankruptcy. Then free market lenders would only give loans to people who had a reasonable chance to pay them back with the degree they were getting, and universities would need to lower prices to attract students willing to take on those loans.

Lots of truth in your statements.

There are two successful alternative models in effect right now (not counting the unusal universities where tuition is free or given in exchange for hard work, military obligation, etc.):

  1. Hillsdale College model (copied by a few others): No federal student loans allowed. Hillsdale has their own group of lenders who make loans at reasonable rates because Hillsdale graduates are employable and at low risk for default.

  2. North Dakota model: North Dakota has a state owned bank which makes affordable loans for all state institutions of higher learning. They keep tuition rates reasonable and limit the amount of the loan based on field of study, academic progress and marketability of degree. Professional students (and fluff course majors) simply find themselves unable to borrow more at some point. Accordingly, the state's exposure to default debt is very limited and nearly all loans extended are paid off. Degrees are mostly marketable because few fluff degrees are offered. Tuition is reasonable, so no high amount of debt is possible for the reasons noted. All in all, a winning combination even with a state government involved because said state government is fiscally conservative.

31 posted on 12/18/2018 11:07:22 AM PST by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys all aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: DesertRhino

“Cost of University education has nearly tripled relative to the economy.”

Price, for some, “of University education has nearly tripled relative to the economy.”

There are lots of kids that pay less than your kid would.

Who gets to pay $0?

Can you say “underprivileged”?


57 posted on 12/18/2018 12:51:02 PM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: DesertRhino

Don’t be making sensible statements now.


66 posted on 12/18/2018 2:36:28 PM PST by Manuel OKelley
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