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To: BroJoeK
Sadly for DiogenesLamp's theory of everything, our Declaration of Independence never said "all dollars are created equal", meaning those with the most dollars got the most votes. Instead it says, "all men are created equal", meaning in essence: one man one vote. The wealthy don't get more votes, even though they can often use their wealth to persuade the rest of us of their viewpoints.

You take the incidental flowery language to be the primary focus of the Declaration, and you completely ignore what was the real and salient point of the Declaration; That states had a right to become independent.

Nobody at the time took the "all men are created equal" as claiming that the Declaration freed slaves. That came later, when people realized it inspired them to believe that all men ought to be free.

The Declaration does not say that slaves should be free. That was people reading what they wanted into it. The Declaration does say that "people" have a right to independence if they want it.

Why do you try to substitute a fake meaning for a real one? Why do you reject the real meaning?

66 posted on 12/10/2018 12:51:06 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
DiogenesLamp: "You take the incidental flowery language to be the primary focus of the Declaration, and you completely ignore what was the real and salient point of the Declaration; That states had a right to become independent."

A falsehood, a lie, regardless of how often you repeat it, or how much you decorate it with your own flowery language.
In fact there are no qualifiers in the Declaration to "all men are created equal", but a "right of secession" is clearly, unequivocally constrained by the necessities listed there at great length.
It is those necessities which explain & justify disunion.

No Founder ever proposed or supported unilateral unapproved declaration of secession at pleasure.

DiogenesLamp: "Nobody at the time took the 'all men are created equal' as claiming that the Declaration freed slaves.
That came later, when people realized it inspired them to believe that all men ought to be free."

"All men are created equal" was clearly aspirational, and many Founders including slave-holders like Washington & Jefferson believed it meant slaves should be freed eventually.

DiogenesLamp: "The Declaration does not say that slaves should be free.
That was people reading what they wanted into it.
The Declaration does say that "people" have a right to independence if they want it. "

That's still a lie, regardless of how often you repeat it.
Sorry, but it'll never get even a little truer just because you say it over & over & over again.
In fact the Declaration did indeed imply to our Founders that slaves should be freed, eventually.
And independence had nothing to do with "if they want it" and everything to do with the necessity spelled out at great length in their Declaration.

DiogenesLamp: "Why do you try to substitute a fake meaning for a real one?
Why do you reject the real meaning?"

Why do you lie constantly, despite knowing the absolute truth of the matter?

70 posted on 12/11/2018 4:21:18 AM PST by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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