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“Baby, It’s Cold Outside”: Rape or Empowerment? A Christmas song has competing interpretations
the good men project ^ | 12.03.18 | Paul Hartzer 1 Comment

Posted on 12/05/2018 6:18:53 PM PST by Coleus

It’s the Christmas season again, which means it’s time for the annual debate.

Well, actually, it’s time for several annual debates: Is “Happy Holidays” a valid greeting, or is it the sign of a Liberal War on Christmas? Is Wham’s “Last Christmas” the GOAT of Christmas songs, or is it a cheesy artifact that should have been left in the 1980s with parachute pants and bleached bangs? Now that we survived the discomfort of avoiding political discussions with Uncle Frank at Thanksgiving dinner, do we really have to do it again at Christmas? What should Starbucks put on their cups?

But the one I’m thinking about is: What’s with the song “Baby, It’s Cold Outside” anyway? Is it cute and flirtatious, or is a rape culture anthem?

“Baby, It’s Cold Outside” has long been a mainstay of Christmas music. Written in 1944 by Frank Loesser, its first public appearance was in the 1949 film “Neptune’s Daughter.”

Several years ago, I started noticing rumblings against the song. From one perspective, it seems to be making light of date rape. The original sheet music refers to a “mouse” who is trying to go home and a “wolf” who wants them to stay. According to his daughter’s memoir, the songwriter referred to himself as “the evil of two Loessers” when he and his wife performed it. Because the duet is usually sung with a male “wolf” and a female “mouse,” I’ll use those pronouns here.

The clearest line with regards to consent is “The answer is ‘No.’” In this era, that is a cue for the man to stop. Some people also mention the line, “What’s in this drink?”, which seems to suggest that she’s been drugged, but I think that that’s not consistent with the era the song was written in. We know that “Don we now our gay apparel” in “Deck the Halls” is a reference to festive clothing, not to anything gay; I’m willing to make a similar judgment here.

Instead, “What’s in this drink?” is part of the larger case she’s setting up: She’s not truly consenting, so if she relents, it was the alcohol’s fault, not hers. The message seemed clear: It’s a song about date rape and pushing at boundaries, and it should be left in the bin of history. Lydia Liza and Josiah Lemanski even rewrote the song in 2016, emphasizing “the importance of consent in sexual relationships.”Then a second interpretation emerged. It’s not about date rape, and all of her complaints are because of social pressures. She wants to stay the night, she wants to experience sexual freedom with this man, but she can’t because of how it would look.

Most of the lyrics do support this view. She worries about her family members and her neighbors, and what people would say. “What’s in this drink?”, in the era, supports this view more than the date rape interpretation. At first, I thought these rebuttals were post hoc apologias meant to overcome cognitive dissonance and redeem a beloved, but flawed, song. But the defenses became clearer and more passionate: Many women see the song as a protest against the sex-shaming of the era. The woman really wants to spend the night, but because of all the social pressures, she can’t. She’s litanizing her excuses for the record, so when she acquiesces, “At least I’m gonna say that I tried.”

Okay, that makes sense. That may well have been the original intent of the song.

Except there’s at least one complication with this.The first time national audiences heard this song was in the movie “Neptune’s Daughter,” performed as two duets. One is Ricardo Montalbán and Esther Williams, and is presented fairly seriously. Montalbán is the wolf seducing Esther Williams’s mouse. Her words say no, but her body says… maybe.

The second time is Red Skelton and Betty Garrett, and is presented as humor. Garrett is the wolf, and is clinging to a clearly reluctant (in word and body) Skelton as the mouse. While Montalbán uses proximity and generally respects Williams’s physical distance, Garrett repeatedly uses physical force to keep Skelton present. The scene ends with her throwing him down on the couch, his eyes growing wide, and her turning off the light.

This scene, played for comic effect because it’s a woman attacking a man (and not vice versa), as well as Loesser’s apparent “evil of two Loessers” reference, suggest that at least some portion of the culture was aware of the ominous undertone of the song.

Whether you hear it as a woman who wants to spend the night but worries about cultural responses, or as a woman who wants to leave but doesn’t think her “no” will be respected (because it isn’t) without appealing to the man’s concerns about cultural responses, it’s clear that the emphasis is not on what she really wants.  A nd therein lies the deeper problem. Many women say that they wear rings on their ring finger when going out to clubs because men don’t respect a woman’s no, but they respect another man’s “property.” I’ve seen plenty of evidence of men harassing women until they mention their boyfriends.

Culturally speaking, what a woman really wants doesn’t matter to a lot of men. Women are judged largely in terms of their compliance with social norms, and that was even truer in the 1940s than it is now.

Completely consistent with the song: She really wants to spend the night.

Completely consistent with the song: She really wants to go home.

Completely consistent with the song: She doesn’t really know what she wants.

All three views are completely consistent with the song because, ultimately, it doesn’t really matter what she wants.

We do know, however, what it is the man wants. He wants her to stay. That’s clear. There’s not an ounce of vagueness there.

She appeals to what other people will think, but he never does. His argument is about his own feelings (“What’s the sense of hurting my pride?”). Even the suggestion that she would die of exposure is framed in his feelings (“Think of my life long sorrow / if you caught pneumonia and died!”).

Like much of Hollywood of the era, his sentiments plant the seeds of what will later become toxic masculinity. I think it is very important to review the contrast shown in “Neptune’s Daughter”: When the wolf is a man, he is gentle and assertive, a gentleman in his seduction. When the wolf is a woman, she is aggressive and needy. Montalbán’s performance is consistent with the vision of manhood of the era, where men knew what they wanted and didn’t hesitate to press for it, but when men also got close to physical boundaries and didn’t cross them.

But this isn’t the 1940s. The paternalistic masculinity of John Wayne and Jimmy Stewart, as restrictive as it might have been, has rotted into the toxic hypermasculinity which now poisons much of our culture. We can look at the song through the original filter of the times, but at the same time, it’s important to hear how some people, particularly women, and particularly sexual assault survivors, hear the song now.

This is why, ultimately, I don’t think it ought to be played on radio stations. Certainly someone who wants to listen to it privately can do so, and certainly it’s a catchy tune that’s as easily hummed as sung. If it were musically mediocre, it would be easier to jettison it into the past. But regardless, publicly, it doesn’t belong.


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: babyitscoldoutside; christmas; christmassong; christmassongs; culturalrevolution; culture; feminazism; metoo; revisionisthistory; snowflakes; waronchristmas; waronchristmas2018
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we're not going to have a culture anymore and watch out, more songs, movies, etc, will be shelved and banned.
1 posted on 12/05/2018 6:18:53 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Coleus

My wife once said “The liberals don’t think it’s rape until the woman wakes up the next morning with regrets.”


2 posted on 12/05/2018 6:21:31 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Coleus
Exactly. We are here:“If there are no absolutes by which to judge society, then society is absolute.” Francis Schaeffer, How Shall We Then Live? (Old Tappan NJ: Fleming H Revell Company, 1976), p. 224.
3 posted on 12/05/2018 6:23:03 PM PST by Fungi
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To: Coleus

“Hey, what’s in this drink?” is, I think, a bit of a giveaway.


4 posted on 12/05/2018 6:34:57 PM PST by babble-on
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To: Coleus

And I bet the hags who are most offended are beasts who couldn’t get laid during Fleet Week after a year tour at sea.


5 posted on 12/05/2018 6:44:18 PM PST by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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To: Coleus

I’ll take my Christmas without a side of sexualization thank you.

A much older song is “Silent Night.”


6 posted on 12/05/2018 6:45:27 PM PST by BlackAdderess (Grateful for a POTUS who doesn't treat us like cattle.)
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To: Coleus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku7ohU1IGls


7 posted on 12/05/2018 6:47:56 PM PST by BlackAdderess (Grateful for a POTUS who doesn't treat us like cattle.)
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To: Coleus

But filthy rap lyrics are just fine.


8 posted on 12/05/2018 6:48:34 PM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know. how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: Coleus

My friends are not Politically Correct.


9 posted on 12/05/2018 6:49:04 PM PST by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM/BHO FREE AMERICA. (Owner of Stars and Bars Flags))
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To: Coleus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xDm643Yjrw


10 posted on 12/05/2018 6:49:28 PM PST by BlackAdderess (Grateful for a POTUS who doesn't treat us like cattle.)
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To: Coleus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7uiqRCW6I8


11 posted on 12/05/2018 6:50:29 PM PST by BlackAdderess (Grateful for a POTUS who doesn't treat us like cattle.)
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To: bgill

Winner...winner..winner!!!


12 posted on 12/05/2018 7:08:38 PM PST by goodnesswins (White Privilege EQUALS Self Control & working 50-80 hrs/wk for 40 years!)
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To: Coleus

13 posted on 12/05/2018 7:13:53 PM PST by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: Coleus

Idina Menzel & Michael Bublé - Baby It's Cold Outside


14 posted on 12/05/2018 7:15:09 PM PST by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: BlackAdderess

If Silent Night is one of your favorites I’m curious what your favorite version is. I love the Carpenters version. Karen’s voice is beautiful, angelic and the music/chorus is beautiful. I listen to A LOT of Christmas music and I can’t think of a better performance.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LhB8JZgVWpU


15 posted on 12/05/2018 7:20:31 PM PST by ZagFan
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To: ZagFan

Silent Night — Bing or Nat King Cole, both do excellent versions


16 posted on 12/05/2018 7:33:32 PM PST by Michael.SF. (California: knowingly give someone aids: misdemeanor. Give them a straw, go to jail.)
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To: ZagFan

That is a nice version. Another one that comes on the radio around here is the Elvis version. There is a version with a high clear soprano but I don’t know who it is that does it.


17 posted on 12/05/2018 7:46:43 PM PST by BlackAdderess (Grateful for a POTUS who doesn't treat us like cattle.)
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To: Coleus
The original sheet music refers to a “mouse” who is trying to go home and a “wolf” who wants them to stay.

Them who?

18 posted on 12/05/2018 7:56:23 PM PST by Tax-chick (Ask me about my Marine!)
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To: ZagFan

Here is a nice version :)


19 posted on 12/05/2018 7:56:44 PM PST by BlackAdderess (Grateful for a POTUS who doesn't treat us like cattle.)
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To: Coleus

I think its a pretty factual song about truths of men and women.

Men know what they want.

Women have no idea what they want. This, that, both, all, nothing. All at the same time.


20 posted on 12/05/2018 8:05:27 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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