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FALSE FLAG OPERATIONS (Definition.) Thoughts?
Free Republic | 10/25/2018 | golux

Posted on 10/25/2018 4:41:32 AM PDT by golux

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Definition of False Flag

"False flag terrorism" occurs when elements within a government stage a secret operation whereby government forces pretend to be a targeted enemy while attacking their own forces or people. The attack is then falsely blamed on the enemy in order to justify going to war against that enemy.

False flag operations are covert operations conducted by governments, corporations, or other organizations, which are designed to deceive the public in such a way that the operations appear as if they are being carried out by other entities.

The name False Flag is derived from the military concept of flying false colors; that is, flying the flag of a country other than one's own. False flag operations are not limited to war and counter-insurgency operations, and have been used in peace-time.

The term comes from the old days of wooden ships when one ship would hang the flag of its enemy before attacking another ship in its own navy. Because the enemy's flag was hung instead of the flag of the real country of the attacking ship, it was called a "false flag" attack.

In the present headlines, the Democrats are conducting a False Flag attack on their own notable members in order to create a public perception that the Republicans are rightwing terrorists.

41 posted on 10/25/2018 5:23:42 AM PDT by Hostage (Article V (Proud Member of the Deranged Q Fringe))
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To: DoodleDawg

No. We won’t. Whoever(s) did this will have left NO trace evidence. Think for a moment about what it would take to accomplish this and who would know how. Schumer said he has more tricks hours before these bombs started showing up.


42 posted on 10/25/2018 5:23:49 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: golux

False flag. Dems want to be seen as the victims. Typical liberal projection. They are the bombers, the domestic terrorists, and want to portray others as the bombers.


43 posted on 10/25/2018 5:24:33 AM PDT by CodeToad ( Hating on Trump is hating on me and America!.)
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To: cuban leaf

These have all the indications of a staged scene. The intent was not to harm, but to deceive.This wasn’t even a sophisticated effort. Whoever did this thought they were being clever.


44 posted on 10/25/2018 5:28:49 AM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment
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To: golux

“False Flag” is possible but hey why not a foreign government wanting to make mischief.

China by God.

Trump has given them a pain and they would like to hurt him before an election.


45 posted on 10/25/2018 5:30:31 AM PDT by Spiridon
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To: Erik Latranyi
I agree, and the timing of this is just too suspicious. I just think it's irresponsible for people like Cuomo to assign blame without any info. Ironically, he's fomenting hatred against the right, while he's blaming the right for hatred. Unbelievable.

One thing I'm wondering is if the person responsible actually works for the postal service. How did they get the addresses for all these people? How did they get packages into the system, and even delivered, without the postage stamps being cancelled during processing?

46 posted on 10/25/2018 5:30:44 AM PDT by neverevergiveup
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To: cuban leaf

Right-These stunts are typical of the DNC sophomoric, frat house monkeyshines

Truthfully, their ‘stunt’ COULD have had some credibility if only one devices was delivered. But as usual, they overplayed their hand and did it the Kabuki way!

More than anything, I am sick of their predictable and repeated pranks which fool their followers, but really just insult the intelligence of everyone else.

One thing about ‘know-it-all’ jerks like this, they think that everyone is as stupid as THEY are... it’s how them give themselves away


47 posted on 10/25/2018 5:32:40 AM PDT by SMARTY (Hatred is a feeling which leads to the extinction of values. Ortega y Gasset)
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To: txrefugee
Now F&F has on a former military bomb detonation expert. He's saying what we're all saying is that these are fake. Real bomb makers don't make them this way.

Ainsley pointing out there's no cancellation marks on the stamps. They're getting in a few shots at telling the truth.

48 posted on 10/25/2018 5:33:08 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (<---has now left CA for NV, where God/guns have not been outlawed! She's done and he's won!)
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To: jstolzen
If it WASN’T a false flag, then how did the “bomb” sender get the closely guarded home addresses of the Clintons, Obamas, Soros, etc?

You're kidding, right?

Type "Clinton address Chappaqua" in Gaggle and you get 15 entries that tell you the actual address. It's not a secret.

Type in "Obama's new home" and you get a nice big article on his new abode in D.C. less than two miles from the White House, with the address published right under the big picture of the very identifiable property.

It ain't rocket science.

49 posted on 10/25/2018 5:37:48 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (There are two kinds of people: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.)
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To: wastoute
Whoever(s) did this will have left NO trace evidence. Think for a moment about what it would take to accomplish this and who would know how.

I think you'll be surprised at what the Feds and the NYPD will be able to come up with.

50 posted on 10/25/2018 5:38:06 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: cuban leaf
This suggests to me that a really, really, REALLY last ditch effort is still in the works for those last couple of days. The D’s have shown that they will go total scorched earth on this thing so anything is possible.

Uh oh, this fake bomb stuff isn't working so they WILL have to go to plan X.

Look out Billy Jeff! I think you're on! The Dems need a sympathy vote and you look to be the most ill and weak. HOpe you have all your "affairs" in order! Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck!

51 posted on 10/25/2018 5:39:40 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (<---has now left CA for NV, where God/guns have not been outlawed! She's done and he's won!)
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To: cincinnati65
Simultaneously, to multiple locations all over the country. Don't forget that.

Right. And we're supposed to believe an organization with the resources and savvy to pull off coordinated nation-wide delivery of devices can't find a competent bomb maker? Really? Uneducated savages in mud huts in the Middle East put together IEDs that are unfortunately all too effective but this group's best and brightest cannot? Riiigggggtttt...

So if we believe the narrative from the left, the right is smart enough to rig elections so effectively as to hide it from an investigation running for over a year now, smart enough to hack email servers, smart enough to manipulate social media, etc. etc. but unable to find anyone capable of creating a reliable bomb design? Sure, that's believable...

52 posted on 10/25/2018 5:39:45 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps ( Be ready!)
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To: golux

Hard to believe that Hilladabeast, Jokin Joe Biden, and Soros don’t have connections that would have this mystery solved in a few hours.


53 posted on 10/25/2018 5:43:25 AM PDT by jetson
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To: boycott

And now we know that the bombs were fake, i.e., bad Hollywood props.


54 posted on 10/25/2018 5:52:08 AM PDT by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: DeplorablePaul

From what I understand, all the fake bombs were not delivered by US Postal Service but by some mysterious courier or by personal delivery.
No cancelled stamps or post marks and no courier slips.

All of the places where bombs were delivered could have had willing accomplices to place the bombs for political purposes. So that is my guess: the bombs were allowed to be placed with cooperation or at least foreknowledge of the so-called victims.


55 posted on 10/25/2018 5:52:17 AM PDT by WayneLusvardi (It's more complex than it might seem)
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To: boycott

What I have not seen anywhere is an answer to THIS question.

In the case of secure locations (CLinton and Obama). Their mail/ deliveries would have gone to some sort of secure location and scanned by Secret service.

Presumably, these hoax devices/ party favors were delivered to the facilities, inspected and stopped by the LEOs. Where they were stopped and then specialists called in to assess the device and investigations initiated into where these came from.

As secure and LEO managed facilities, that presumably get a lot of questionable stuff. And investigations into if it is is a real threat, nature of the threat, etc.

I would also assume that it is probably NOT in their best interest to publicize any sort of information. For many reasons.

Who informed the press? And WHY was the press informed?


56 posted on 10/25/2018 5:57:37 AM PDT by uranium penguin
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To: golux

So Joe Biden gets a facsimile of a bomb but not Pelossi or Schumer? I'd look for a group of persons with a total lack of Priorities. That would mean the dems did it.

57 posted on 10/25/2018 6:00:20 AM PDT by scottiemom (As a retired Texas public school teacher, I highly recommend private school.)
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To: golux

I’d say 80% chance it is some sort of false flag. Whether officially orchestrated or the work of some whacked-out DUmmies, who knows?

20% chance it’s the work of your standard garden variety kook.


58 posted on 10/25/2018 6:09:57 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: golux

This entire FAKE BOMBS show has finally been seen by most Americans for what it really is.... Democrat supporters starting their own arson fire.


59 posted on 10/25/2018 6:25:31 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: golux; cuban leaf; z3n; C210N; boycott; RoosterRedux; DeplorablePaul; Gen.Blather; babble-on; ...

I agree that we must wait until all the facts are in, but we can still speculate. I am not one to rule in or out anything completely without appropriate evidence, but with the information coming in that this is a hoax, one has to look at it with a certain viewpoint:

If it is a hoax, why would someone do this? Why would someone perpetrate a very public hoax instead of sending real bombs to do real harm?

Cui Bono? (Who benefits?)

NORMAL CONSERVATIVE: No benefit. None. No reason to do it, even for the most dimwitted or reality challenged of conservatives, to hoax this type of thing, even as a joke or to sow fear. Violence is not the tool of conservatives. We don’t roll that way, though the Left tries to portray us otherwise even when there is no evidence to support it and vast evidence to dispute it.

FAR RIGHT WING: Possibly to sow fear or as a joke, but the benefit is so outweighed by the risk that even for a rabid far right winger, this seems like a stretch. If they were REAL bombs, real inflicted harm could be a motive, but these are fakes. This is possible, but unlikely.

MENTALLY ILL CONSERVATIVE: Even trying to view it from the perspective of someone who is mentally ill is difficult since their view of reality may be quite different from ours, it seems hard to comprehend. Again, these people would more likely want to inflict REAL harm than hoax it. But I will not rule this class out, as it is possible.

GOOD HEARTED LIBERALS: It is important to make a distinction with my definitions because I generally view two out of three categories of Leftists as mentally ill: “Good Hearted Liberal” is someone I identify who is from the least radicalized and reality challenged part of the Left. These are people you know socially, from work, or from Church. They are often simply ill informed, or haven’t take the time to think things through. I think we can rule out these people, as most are pretty “normal” and can often be talked to. They aren’t radical. There is no benefit to them.

THE TRUE BELIEVERS: These are the most delusional and dangerous inhabitants of the Left. These people are the cannon fodder and foot soldiers of the Left, usually motivated by the next and most dangerous group I categorize below, The Hardened Left. These people are the MoveOn, Code Pink, Black Lives Matter types, the majority of the Media types, and they inhabit the campaign staffs of candidates and the real staff of elected politicians. They really DO believe the Social Justice Warrior, racial, sexual, and other crap used as tools by The Hardened Left. In my opinion, these are the people who believe in their hearts there would be benefits to having fake bombs delivered to Leftists. They have demonstrated time and time again, from videos taken at Leftist rallies/protests, to the Veritas videos by James O’Keefe, that they have no value system that would prevent them from doing this. They brag about lying and deceiving voters, “bird-dogging” conservatives to prod them into violent reactions that they attempt to record (Veritas videos, and I have been an obvious target of this at a Sarah Palin rally) deliberately enlisting mentally ill people to go to conservative functions to provoke trouble (Veritas videos they brag about this practice) employing muscle to provoke trouble (Veritas videos) and at the root of it, that they subscribe to the gospel of Saul Alinsky, who is immoral enough to write a dedication to Satan in his infamous “Rules for Radicals” which is the bible to many on the Left. This group clearly has motive and desire. They are frustrated to the point of actual violence and calls to actual violence that we have seen and heard. They are arrogant enough to believe they are clever enough to pull this off.

THE HARDENED LEFT: These people are not delusional, but they are the most dangerous of those on the Left. These people don’t believe any of the Social Justice Warrior, racial, sexual, and other crap they use as tools. They use those things as tools to motivate the previously described “True Believers” and to convert weak-minded people to their cause to be used to their purpose, the attainment, wielding, and possession of raw power. These people understand completely that Leftism is all about power and control. These people may fully be engaged in the possibility and use of practices and execution of things like this hoax, but they would be careful never to do it themselves. Their part would be to egg on and tacitly (though likely never overtly) support the “True Believers” who would willingly engage in this type of hoax.

THE FBI/DOJ/CIA: These are possible, particularly the FBI/DOJ, because when the SpyGate scandal really explodes in their face as it is 100% going to, they have a vested interest in swinging the elections in some way to bury it. However, I have a hard time believing they could do this so incompetently, especially with them under the Spygate spotlight. We shall see.

In summary, I currently believe it is someone on the Left who is a “True Believer” who perpetrated this, knowing full well their allies in the media would be willing accomplices in achieving the goal of “Changing The Accepted Narrative”, with the possibility of a Mentally Ill Conservative running second, and the FBI/DOJ running further behind.

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Dan Bongino has stated accurately that a deviance from the “Accepted Narrative” about a politician or a class of politician is what is most damaging to them, and uses an example of why Trump was not damaged by his comments about grabbing women by the crotch or paying off a hooker to be silent, but the Left is very concerned about damage to them through the fact that they advocate mobs and violence.

Trump is generally accepted by all on the Left and many (if not most) on the right as a flawed person. We know he stretches the truth as a tool. We know he has likely been involved with women he is not married to, including even a prostitute like Stormy Daniels. We know he is profane and quick to shoot from the hip. So when it came out that Trump had an agreement with Stormy Daniels, it was not much of a deviance from our “Accepted Narrative” on Trump. It didn’t damage him.

For the Left, it is quite a different thing. The FACTS (”Accepted Narrative”) show clearly that the Left is an open advocate of mobs, violence, lies, desecration of justice. Everyone sees it. But what is the “Accepted Narrative” that the Left tries hard to foster? The “Accepted Narrative” that they are moral, good, and filled with justice, so the deviation from that is quite damaging to them, and they understand fully what the effect that might have in the upcoming election might be.

When normal people saw Cruz and Sanders being verbally assaulted by leftists while peacefully eating, they saw Justice Kavanaugh being unjustly lynched by the left on a public stage, and so on, they were repulsed by it because it deviated from the “Accepted Narrative” the Left works so hard at fostering.

So, while they cannot change the “Accepted Narrative” on Trump (which means candidates he supports are more likely to be successful) they see their best chance at limiting damage in the election by forcing a deviation of the “Accepted Narrative” of conservatives from law-abiding, constitutional, and tolerant to violent, unconstitutional, and intolerant. Is it any surprise that we see this kind of thing happen as the election approaches? Also, very public reports of some right-wingers being convicted of violence? Is it a coincidence?

I was initially inclined to view this as a “False Flag” operation, as I am initially inclined to view nearly any campus-originated episode of racist behavior as a hoax, but in this case, I was far more inclined intellectually to reserve judgement until more information came in. With the revelation that these bombs are hoaxes, that the one we saw was delivered with no postage, etc. I am far more receptive to a “False Flag” operation by the “True Believers” of the Left than I am to believe it is even a mentally ill conservative who did it.


60 posted on 10/25/2018 6:54:54 AM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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