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Cern scientist: 'Physics built by men - not by invitation'
BBC ^ | October 1, 2018 | Pallab Ghosh

Posted on 10/01/2018 12:43:31 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie

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To: SunkenCiv


How long is a piece of string theory?
21 posted on 10/01/2018 1:08:28 PM PDT by LouieFisk
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To: Jonty30
They don't. It's hard because men are both smarter and stupider than women. Our bell-curves have the same mean but men's variance has far more geniuses and far more dumbasses than women's.

It gets even more pronounced when you consider mathematically demanding disciplines, for some well understood reasons (the effect of testosterone in utero) and some reasons not so well.

For every Amy Noether, there are a hundred Bernhard Riemanns. That's just the way it is. Pretending otherwise is damaging to the discipline. I guarantee you that the Chinese are not doing this.

22 posted on 10/01/2018 1:09:59 PM PDT by FredZarguna (And what Rough Beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward 5th Avenue to be born?)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie
male and female researchers were equally cited at the start of their careers but men scored progressively better as their careers progressed.

And publication author credits have long been first-initial, so it's nearly impossible to even unconsciously discriminate when choosing which papers to cite.

23 posted on 10/01/2018 1:21:38 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: LouieFisk

The 1st thing you have to believe in is string.


24 posted on 10/01/2018 1:22:33 PM PDT by Delta 21 (.....been here this long you actually expect me to read the article....)
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To: rstrahan
This is complete BS, and it is exactly the opposite of what this scientist is correctly arguing.

Marie Curie, frankly, is not a very important physicist. She gets more press than she deserves for two reasons: 1) she was French at a time when France was dominating science and math and 2) she's a woman, and women are rare in the field.

There are other posts on this thread detailing why this is so. Women are less likely to be geniuses than men. That cuts them off of the top end. They are far less likely than men to be mathematical geniuses. That cuts them out of mathematics, physics, and a good bit of the hard sciences and engineering.

For every Marie Curie there are a hundred Pierre Curies. That's the fact.

Pretending that this isn't true is nonsense and needs to stop. The Chinese are not doing this. They promote on the basis of meritocracy, not an insistence that there be 50% females in a field that they a) aren't interested in for the most part and b) aren't competitive in when they are.

We ought to have no barriers to great theoreticians like Amy Noether (a much more imprtant contributor than Marie Curie) or fine experimentalists like Curie. But we should not kid ourselves that there is a gender equality of talent in this field. There isn't.

25 posted on 10/01/2018 1:22:47 PM PDT by FredZarguna (And what Rough Beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward 5th Avenue to be born?)
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To: rstrahan
Completely agree, but everything is turned into the faux outrage, and how can we get people to recognize that they should be offended.

Just the way this is tee'd up give the game away: ...a "highly offensive" presentation about the role of women in physics, the BBC has learned.

Oh my gosh, the BBC has just learned...

Pffft... fake news.

26 posted on 10/01/2018 1:24:43 PM PDT by Obadiah
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To: Delta 21

“The 1st thing you have to believe in is string.”

No can do. I’m an astringest!
:D


27 posted on 10/01/2018 1:28:00 PM PDT by LouieFisk
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To: FredZarguna

Thank you. And that is fact. If a woman wants to do it, fine, but let’s not kid ourselves here.

And there is a lot of similar human inventory data that one must never dare mention in polite company.


28 posted on 10/01/2018 1:28:45 PM PDT by Obadiah
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To: thoughtomator

Climate scientists?


29 posted on 10/01/2018 1:34:22 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Obadiah

In universities today telling a simple truth is a revolutionary act that will get you fired.

Speaking truth to power is exactly what leftists hate and fear.


30 posted on 10/01/2018 1:40:35 PM PDT by cgbg (Hidden behind the social justice warrior mask is corruption and sexual deviance.)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie
Is there any field which is still merit based? Professional sports?

Airline Captainacy (I made up a word), that is the number of airline pilots that are elevated to Captain status, is very merit based. I've been observing this since my son (Ace) started flying as a professional.

31 posted on 10/01/2018 1:42:17 PM PDT by Ace's Dad ("John James for US Senate. Dump Debbie!! Let's Fly, Michigan.")
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To: FredZarguna

For every Amy Noether, there are a hundred Bernhard Riemanns.

...

Her students often referred to her as Herr Noether.


32 posted on 10/01/2018 1:50:21 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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To: Ace's Dad
That's one bright spot. Glad to hear it.

I've read a couple of accounts of lady pilots who have done some amazing "saves" with a damaged or malfunctioning aircraft. Clearly merit based promotion is the key.
 

33 posted on 10/01/2018 1:51:04 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (I don't know nothin' 'bout birthin' babies!)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

“Prof Strumia has since defended his comments, saying he was only presenting the facts . . .”

What a sexist pig!

Facts? Doesn’t he know facts are sexist, racist, homophobic...


34 posted on 10/01/2018 2:15:46 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: dead

LOL, gotcha.


35 posted on 10/01/2018 2:18:20 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Moonman62
Her lack of feminity generated no small number of cruel and fairly widely known derisions among both her students and colleagues.

Her mind, the important attribute, was unique and wonderful.

36 posted on 10/01/2018 2:18:55 PM PDT by FredZarguna (And what Rough Beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward 5th Avenue to be born?)
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To: FredZarguna
She's "buried" right around the way from me. (Bryn Mawr, PA)


37 posted on 10/01/2018 2:22:14 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Governor Dinwiddie
RE: Clearly merit based promotion is the key

I'm proud to know a woman 747 Captain; the first for her airline. She is excellent, I've flown with her.

38 posted on 10/01/2018 3:04:29 PM PDT by Ace's Dad ("John James for US Senate. Dump Debbie!! Let's Fly, Michigan.")
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To: FredZarguna

Her mind, the important attribute, was unique and wonderful.

...

Yes, but considering the topic of this thread it’s interesting that maybe the best female mathematician of all time had considerable masculine traits.


39 posted on 10/01/2018 3:10:03 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

>Seems to be happening in all fields. Is there any field which is still merit based? Professional sports?<

How about professional cheerleaders? :-)


40 posted on 10/01/2018 3:10:17 PM PDT by sciencewriter86
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