Posted on 07/27/2018 6:51:26 AM PDT by daniel1212
In the late 1990s the Clinton Administration attempted to negotiate with North Korea. At the time, the Koreans were in the process of constructing a nuclear reactor. It would be capable of producing nuclear weapons grade plutonium. The US government entered an agreement that stated in essence, if the Koreans stopped work on the reactor, the US along with some EU nations would provide them with a new light water reactor plus 500,000 tons per year of heavy fuel oil. The fuel oil to be used in the Korean oil fired power plants. US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright visited Pyongyang and met with Kim Jong Il. During the course of those "negotiations" the North Koreans felt they would be able to move USS PUEBLO from Wonsan on Korea's east coast to the Taedong River at Pyongyang on the west coast. This was a voyage of over 1000 nautical miles, all in INTERNATIONAL WATERS.
The move of the ship from Wonsan to Pyongyang was handled by Secretary of Defense William J. Perry who had been appointed by President Clinton his North Korea Policy Coordinator. In that role he was in favor of negotiation and appeasement. He was instrumental in arranging Secretary Albright’s visit to NK.
He allowed the ship relocation from East to West and told the US Navy - hands off.
btw, when the crew were captured, only a couple of them were Christians. When they came out, nearly all were.
One night the Christians got them all to pray to forgive their captors.
Meanwhile, members of the Johnson administration, knowing they were going out of office, and suddenly burdened that they needed to clean up the Pueblo business, finally decided to do the diplomatically unthinkable, and apologize to N. Korea. With that, the Norks agreed to release the captives.
The day after the prayer, came the announcement they were to be released.
Much goes on behind the scenes that we do not see.
wonder why we never took out the Pueblo ?
What i don’t understand is, a Marine Air Station was\is at Iwakuni Japan and was less than 500 miles away. Crickets chirped.
Since that picture was taken, the Pueblo has been moved about two miles next to some museum to the “greatness” of the North Korean military. IIRC, it is now in a dry dock to keep the hull from rotting. Looking at Google Earth, for the life of me, I can’t see how they got her to her new location.
Commander Lloyd M. Bucher was psychologically tortured, such as being put through a mock firing squad in an effort to make him confess. Eventually the North Koreans threatened to execute his men in front of him, and Bucher relented and agreed to “confess”.
Father was in Naval Intel at the time and was sent to SOKO for 18 months on incident.
Only thing he said about it was Bucher should of taken his “suicide pill”.
A nation not under God is a nation that is gone under, or relative to how much it is not the former. Leadership and the character of men is not what it was prior to 1940's, .
And gone under is not water:The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. (Psalms 9:17)
Praise God if true, but documentation?
They didn’t give up without a fight. I believe that the one casualty was the sailor trying to man the one 50 caliber machine gun in an exposed position. The next person to the gun would have experienced the same fate.
The really big problem was the lack of a viable defensive plan involving the proactive positioning and use of other military assets. The fleet/intelligence brass put the whole ship out there in a naked position.
Pussification...
I think you're confusing my post with the Pueblo. I was talking about the recent capture of Sailors by Iran's patrol boats. Even if wrong, the next guy mans the 50. It's called warfare.
I will never forget the pathetic, sad, and pitiful faces in the photo of those sailors captured by Iran. They may not be hardened trained grunts, but they take an oath to fight or die against the enemy, even if they inadvertently crossed into Iranian waters. Those pussies made me so ashamed of my Navy.
Then there are the Ferguson and McCain that couldn't avoid a slow freighter with all it's Aegis electronics. I'm glad to see CinCPacFleet busting them all, especially the female OOD and the female CIC commander who had a pissing contest between each other on the Ferguson as described in the final Navy report. Yet to see the McCain final report. However, sounds like both had poor training - Captain's and EO's fault.
As much as I believe women can contribute to the Armed Forces, get them out of combat units/ships. Are they on submarines as yet? I know that was the plan during Obama. If so, stupid is as stupid does. How many times do you think an attack sub or Trident will have to surface to unload pregnant women? I saw it many times on my surface ships from 75-86.
Mattis should send women back to admin/logistics jobs and tell the feminists to FO. BTW, women also wash out and also crash more aircraft than men, according to percentages.
Now the PTB are talking about including women in SEAL training. It took how many female applicants to pass Ranger training? Oh right, 2 after going through it twice - with a lower bar for PT. Pfft.
Guilty as charged. Thank you for your patience and insight.
BTW, I just read there are more than 2 women who are now badge wearing Rangers. While Ranger training is really tough, the Army is leading the way to reduce quals. If the SEAL's ever do that, then it's time to hire more combat experienced civilians. We already have many around the world and especially in Aftganiscrap.
Personally, I don't believe the SEAL's will ever lower their quals. They are the standard of warriors around the world. Just "Hell Week" would make any woman "ring out".
Too bad our surface fleet have become so incompetent. Still, those responsible for those needless collisions are being held responsible. Fire them all, and Court Martial those who deserve it. Again, I wonder what's happening with our subs. Anyone here know?
Lowering standards is not a good idea. I just read the book “Horse Soldiers” and was very impressed with the fact that the men involved knew how to fight a war with a mixture of primitive and very advanced weapons and personnel. The special forces skill-set is amazing.
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