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To: castlegreyskull; DiogenesLamp; Pelham; FLT-bird; rockrr; x; DoodleDawg; jmacusa; OIFVeteran; ...
from the article: "In the end, the war was fought over a single legal issue: whether the states that had freely ratified the Constitution to form the Union could freely leave the Union if they felt it no longer served their interests."

castlegreyskull: "The last one was really a failed war for independence.
I think traditionally, Civil Wars fight for control of the entire country."

DiogenesLamp: "This is correct. "

FLT-bird: "Correct."

Pelham: "+1"

I see our Lost Cause brigade has already arrived to reaffirm one of their biggest lies -- that it was all just for "independence".
No it wasn't, from the beginning it was a existential military assault on the United States.
In the war's first 12 months 52 larger battles were fought, 30 in Union states & territories.
Late in 1864 there were still battles fought in the Union states of Kansas & Missouri.

All told the Civil War's 384 battles were fought in 18 Union states & territories and, oh yeh, in 11 Confederate states.


104 posted on 07/26/2018 1:41:41 PM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: BroJoeK

That is still not the map I asked you for.


105 posted on 07/26/2018 1:45:51 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: BroJoeK; Ohioan
Such gallantry seems unthinkable today, when members of the Trump administration are hounded from restaurants and theatres, and Confederate officers like John Lea, if they are remembered at all, are considered precursors of the German National Socialists, and their once famous and respected commanders like Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, and Jeb Stuart have their statues toppled and banished from public squares, their names stripped from public schools, and their memories spat upon and disgraced.

The difference between the America of today and the America of what seems like just yesterday is that we once had a common culture. As recently as 1990, Ken Burns could make a Civil War documentary for PBS and let historian Shelby Foote wax eloquent on the martial prowess of Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest — something that now would likely get them both tarred, feathered, and Twitter-banned.

So what to do? We can start by trying to stop the Left’s war on America’s past, which is poisoning the well-spring of our national identity. If William McKinley, a Union officer turned president, could approve a Confederate memorial at Arlington Cemetery, it seems to me that we can at least be as understanding of our own history. Let us remember that President Dwight D. Eisenhower, who ordered the 101stAirborne Division to help desegregate Arkansas’s public schools, kept a portrait of Robert E. Lee in his office at the White House and admired him as a hero (as did, incidentally, George C. Marshall, whose anti-fascist bona fides are rather more profound than Antifa’s, I reckon).

Of course it's not just the taliban Left now pushing the ethnic cleansing of the South. They're finding plenty of fellow travelers who think that this is a swell idea.

https://spectator.org/americas-next-civil-war-will-be-worse-than-our-last/

121 posted on 07/26/2018 2:39:57 PM PDT by Pelham (California, Mexico's socialist colony)
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To: BroJoeK

I see the PC Revisionists who CLAIM to be conservatives but who are really lovers of big government have showed up with their usual court historian BS.


124 posted on 07/26/2018 3:08:00 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: BroJoeK

Oh boy! What was the Confederates’ objective??? ‘ Independence. So there was some minor skirmishes in ND and Ohio. The rest were in Union Border states/Territories.


136 posted on 07/27/2018 1:32:39 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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