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What happened to “innocent until PROVEN guilty”?

Posted on 07/16/2018 5:13:51 PM PDT by FL_Native

We’ve seen so many people’s lives ruined and now they want to start a war with Russia over accusations. Can’t we wait until after these accusations have been proven in a court of law?

Fire away


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To: TADSLOS

Currently locked up in pre-trial solitary confinement by an Obama appointed federal judge. Bail revoked. Put in the “deep cooler” to break him.

Total abuse of judicial power for political purposes.


We would have to grow a lot more bananas to get up to the status of a banana republic.


21 posted on 07/16/2018 5:40:38 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

Yep.


22 posted on 07/16/2018 5:43:23 PM PDT by TADSLOS
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To: Retvet

Did I hear Putin say something along the lines of “when you have proven it in a court of law, I will respond”? Why aren’t our reps answering these accusations with something like that?


23 posted on 07/16/2018 5:55:57 PM PDT by FL_Native
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To: FL_Native

Have Bill and Hillary Clinton been convicted in court of any crimes? Do you believe they are innocent ... never did anything wrong or illegal?


24 posted on 07/16/2018 6:18:22 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Fill in my standard rant.)
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To: Retvet

Trump only accepted control of Russia to do what Hitler did not succeed at doing.

Trump only accepted control of Russia to increase the number of white people in US territories.

Trump only accepted control of Russia because he wanted to put the guys who built the Berlin Wall in charge of his wall on our southern border.

Trump only...


25 posted on 07/16/2018 6:26:29 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Spygate's clock began in 2015 - what did President Obama know and when did he know it)
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To: FL_Native

“Innocent until proven guilty...”

I’ve always hated that term. The word “until” makes it sound like a guilty verdict is a foregone conclusion, like a kangaroo court.

The correct term should be, “Innocent UNLESS proven guilty.”


26 posted on 07/16/2018 6:40:42 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Washington is NOT a swamp.....It's a cesspool!)
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To: Tax-chick

I believe there’s enough evidence to charge them with numerous crimes and can’t understand why they haven’t been. Have their lives been ruined by these accusations?


27 posted on 07/16/2018 6:44:04 PM PDT by FL_Native
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Excellent point!


28 posted on 07/16/2018 6:47:01 PM PDT by FL_Native
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To: TomGuy

This idea of the seriousness of the charges permeates legal authorities all over our country.Accused of racism ,sexual harassment and objecting to homosexuality you are guilty, period.


29 posted on 07/16/2018 6:50:37 PM PDT by ChiMark (America America)
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To: FL_Native

They aren’t just baby killers but had rather watch their children die in mushroom clouds just to get rid of Trump.


30 posted on 07/16/2018 9:40:36 PM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: FL_Native

They would rather have a war than have the Truth about them come out - Putin knows too much for their liking...


31 posted on 07/17/2018 3:24:37 AM PDT by trebb (Too many "Conservatives" who think their opinions outweigh reality these days...)
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To: FL_Native
The presumption of innocence only applies to the liberal left.

If one is a conservative, you are guilty simply by the fact an accusation is made, and deserve to be executed on the spot.

It's been this way for many decades.

32 posted on 07/17/2018 5:31:50 AM PDT by Joe Brower ("Might we not live in a nobler dream than this?" -- John Ruskin)
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To: FL_Native

With regard to most uses of “innocent until proven guilty” they wrongly refer to private individuals and their opinions.

For example: If you as a private individual have formed an opinion about whether a certain football player killed his ex-wife, you are under no obligation - social, professional, or otherwise - to regard him as “innocent”, EVEN IF a court of law has not convicted him.

If on the other hand you are sitting on a jury considering the evidence, then the rules say that you must consider him (temporarily) innocent until you have heard the State and the defense cases and been instructed in the law by a judge.

If, after that, you vote “guilty” you are under no obligation to believe him innocent, EVEN IF your trial ends with the jury 1-11 to acquit and a subsequent jury finds him not guilty.

HTH.


33 posted on 07/17/2018 5:37:33 AM PDT by Jim Noble (p)
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To: Jim Noble
I see your point with regard to opinions.
But, don't we have a moral obligation to wait until the facts have proven guilt before we start punishing someone?
34 posted on 07/17/2018 8:03:13 AM PDT by FL_Native
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To: FL_Native

That depends.

I would not hire a man acquitted of rape if I believed he did it, and I would be perfectly within my rights to do so.


35 posted on 07/17/2018 9:56:34 AM PDT by Jim Noble (p)
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