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1 posted on 07/04/2018 4:18:10 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
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In reality, any scheme of wealth redistribution fits in with Franklin’s 1755 letter. But Obamacare in particular was strongly tied in with arguments of safety and security.


2 posted on 07/04/2018 4:20:18 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to "the historians" anymore.)
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I think he would find both reprehensible.


3 posted on 07/04/2018 4:30:28 PM PDT by jospehm20
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Even if you are right, the Patriot Act IS a textbook example of how Americans sacrificed liberty for (perceived) security.

Surely you must realize that it chipped away, year after year, of our rights and liberties.

As for our ‘security’, the fact the borders have been wide open for 15 years, millions who overstayed visas are not pursued, and we’re fighting wars with those who had nothing to do with 9/11.


5 posted on 07/04/2018 4:40:24 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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It was appropriating money and handing out guns to people who seemingly needed them to fight against the invading British.

Wow, he may have a point with the wealth redistribution argument but he is way off in his historical perspective.

The Revolutionary War was still a ways off. Pennsylvania was still a loyal British colony even if there were tensions.

The invasion spoken of were the French and their Indian allies in the lead up to the French and Indians War.

7 posted on 07/04/2018 4:49:34 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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It was appropriating money and handing out guns to people who seemingly needed them to fight against the invading British.

"[I]nvading British" In a letter of 1755??? Methinks the reference was for the frontier defenses against the FRENCH and their American Aborigine (Indian) allies during the French And Indian War (1754-63).

Other than that, I agree with the argument on the whole.

10 posted on 07/04/2018 4:56:38 PM PDT by SES1066 (Happiness is a depressed Washington, DC housing market!)
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Benjamin Franklin was not referring to the Patriot Act, he was referring to Obamacare

Actually, he meant both of those, as well as the WOD and about 95% of the modern feral goobermint.

12 posted on 07/04/2018 5:00:11 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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No colonist was fighting the British in 1755. Braddock’s force had just been routed at the Forks of the Ohio. Pennsylvania was supplying its Scots Irish frontier settlers with weapons to defend the pacifist Quaker business interests. He is referring to those same Scots Irish who are willing and with proper suppliea able to defendcthemselves against the tribes and yet do not wish the arrival of the King’s or the Colony’s forces as they believe it could compromise their frontier Liberty.


13 posted on 07/04/2018 5:23:37 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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FWIW, I strongly suggest that folks who have the time go to the link and read the entire letter.


17 posted on 07/05/2018 4:05:01 AM PDT by mewzilla (Has the FBI been spying on members of Congress?)
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