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I have heard many lamentations about how the Navy officer corps does not seem like a meritocracy anymore. I still remember reading the United States Naval Institute (USNI) article by the person in charge of Academy admissions writing with great enthusiasm that the incoming freshman class mirrored the ethnic makeup of the general population.

Now come the WestPac collisions, and these USNI articles and others that provide information for me folks never thought to achieve basic situational awareness with a Mark I eye-ball on the bridge, or an ordinary surface search radar in CIC. I should never be able to present even antidotal evidence to support an idea that selection, qualification, and promotion look like it relies on policies of equal opportunity and affirmative action. I now have little difficulty imagining a 7th Fleet staff bureaucrat taking satisfaction in entering the names and sex of these officers into a report to DOD about their efforts to push diversity in the destroyer squadron to new levels.

During my 19 months on the Westchester County I stood over 20 bridge watches in heavy traffic areas; most often Tokyo because homeport was Yokosuka, but also Hong Kong and Singapore. At one time I will think, “There but for the grace of God go I”. Next I will review the events and wonder, “How could they be so stupid?” By following the CO’s orders and proceeding with an intensity that left you exhausted after a four-hour watch, we just didn’t get in those situations.

See also page 32 of

U.S. Navy Comprehensive review of Recent Surface Force Accidents file:///C:/Users/Superman/AppData/Local/Microsoft/Windows/INetCache/Content.Outlook/0B0T9J7N/US%20Navy%20Comprehensive%20Review%20of%20Ship%20Accidents.pdf

1 posted on 05/13/2018 2:59:42 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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Srsly? WTH? 😡
2 posted on 05/13/2018 3:02:28 PM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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“I have heard many lamentations about how the Navy officer corps does not seem like a meritocracy anymore.”

Anything, repeat - anything that becomes political ceases to be a meritocracy.


3 posted on 05/13/2018 3:03:49 PM PDT by neverevergiveup
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To: Retain Mike

Perhaps Lt. Combs and Lt. Woodley were distracted by something.


4 posted on 05/13/2018 3:05:35 PM PDT by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
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To: Retain Mike

What happened with the on the horizon standard? We used to report and track all contacts on the horizon and weren’t allowed to ignore a 10k yard contact.

This just sounds stupid.


5 posted on 05/13/2018 3:07:38 PM PDT by dila813 (Voting for Trump to Punish Trumpets!)
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On the bright side, their first clue wasn’t the collision itself...


6 posted on 05/13/2018 3:07:47 PM PDT by null and void (Urban "food deserts," are caused by "climate change" in urban customers' attitudes (H/T niteowl77))
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Weren’t there any lookouts on deck?


9 posted on 05/13/2018 3:11:22 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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The ACX Crystal took the Combat Information Center by surprise. Until just moments before the collision, the accused officers in the center, which is several levels below deck, were unaware of the danger from nearby ships, and there was little communication between the center and the bridge. Data pulled from the Fitzgerald and the Crystal and presented at the hearing showed that the Crystal was tracking 25 to 30 ships in its orbit in the lead-up to the crash. The Fitzgerald was tracking four or five.

https://www.stripes.com/fitzgerald-collision-hearing-brings-ship-s-ongoing-radar-problems-into-focus-1.526518


10 posted on 05/13/2018 3:12:40 PM PDT by McGruff (Bring our troops home. Defend our border.)
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OK, so the service academies are supposed to mirror the ethnic makeup of the general population. Alright.

So how about the NBA mirroring the ethnic makeup of the general population?
 

12 posted on 05/13/2018 3:16:29 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (MAGA in the mornin', MAGA in the evenin', MAGA at suppertime . . .)
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The OOD was an ill-trained Ltjg and she has the standard surface search radar on the bridge with her.

The lady O3’s in CIC were her back-up and the XO had little faith in any of them. Hell, they didn’t even have the combat/tracking radars properly adjusted.

Especially the bridge watch.

Yet he left them in place during a very busy and dangerous transit with hundreds of ships within 10 miles.

The skipper and the XO own this one. IN ADDITION to those already mentioned/charged.


13 posted on 05/13/2018 3:16:35 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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Just think how easily a hostile submarine could sneak up on them if the combat center was not aware of even a huge merchant ship making all sorts of sonar racket and a RCS the size of a huge building.

The navy used to have a radar dedicated to surface search, the SAS-something IIRC. Dunno what they have now, that was 20 years ago.

Seems the SPS-73 is the current radar for navigation.:

"The AN/SPS-73(V)12 Radar Set is currently installed onboard approximately 100 ships across CVN, CG, DDG, LHA, LHD, LPD, LSD, LCC, PC and MCM ship classes. "

14 posted on 05/13/2018 3:16:41 PM PDT by doorgunner69 (Give me the liberty to take care of my own security..........)
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Welcome Home brother.
I was on the 1160 on the east coast and sailed the 532 over there.


15 posted on 05/13/2018 3:17:56 PM PDT by YOMO
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Having stood OOD, CICWO, and EOOW watches under 4 Captains this is just flat out embarrassing....


17 posted on 05/13/2018 3:20:08 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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Given the names of crew and former crew on Fitzgerald we can at least be confident that the Navy is not being sexist or ethnic centric.
Lt. Natalie Combs
Lt. Irian Woodley
Fire Controlman Second Class Ashton Cato
Lt. j.g. Sarah B. Coppock
Cmdr. Sean Babbitt,
Operations Specialist Second Class Matthew H. Stawecki
Lt. Cmdr. Ritarsha Furqan
Cmdr. Shu
Thank goodness.


19 posted on 05/13/2018 3:22:04 PM PDT by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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I get the feeling that the Navy isn’t all it’s supposed to be.

But I feel pretty sure that it’s better than today’s Air Force.


20 posted on 05/13/2018 3:22:36 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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I have been informed by senior leaders and recently retired senior leaders that all of the services, especially in pre-commissioning programs and officer qualification courses have adopted standards that put an end to “washing out” in favor of mentoring, encouragement, or nudges toward resignation. Additional training is seldom the choice because of the additional expense.

The ugly reality is that substandard officers are overrepresented among minority and female officers even though that some minority and female officers are clearly outstanding and are performing at a very high level.


22 posted on 05/13/2018 3:23:32 PM PDT by centurion316 (Back from exile from 4/2016 until 4/2018.)
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Maybe it’s not good to name ships Fitzgerald, what with the Edmund Fitzgerald fate.


25 posted on 05/13/2018 3:25:36 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Auto-correct has become my worst enema.)
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I agree with the defense attorney that the real problem was higher up the chain of command.


26 posted on 05/13/2018 3:27:36 PM PDT by PAR35
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They were probably so busy retrofitting it for LGBTs that no one looked outside to see what was going on.


27 posted on 05/13/2018 3:27:39 PM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's...I just don't tell anyone)
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They were just having a friendly hand of poker ... nickle and imes really what’s the problem? /s


28 posted on 05/13/2018 3:30:47 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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As the discussion here shows. There is seldom just one cause of the problem.

What is the solution?


32 posted on 05/13/2018 3:38:37 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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