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To: ImaGraftedBranch

I think teachers are, in general, overpaid, and that their “deal” (the whole package) is much, MUCH better than most workers get.

But using outcomes of the “product” is unreasonable and unfair.

Education is not something you can GIVE, like a shot of penicillin. It’s something that a well-prepared and well-disposed student TAKES. There are schools all over the world, even in Africa, which graduate outstanding, well educated pupils.

But no school tasked with universal, mandatory education after age 11-12 can accomplish this unless it serves an exclusive community with much, much higher than average incomes. It’s much better if the population has a large representation of Jews and East Asians.

The reason the scores are so low is not the teachers. It’s the students. And that’s not a problem that teachers can, or should be expected, to fix.

End mandatory schooling at eighth grade, and everything will get better, instantly.


29 posted on 05/03/2018 5:10:43 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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To: Jim Noble
The reason the scores are so low is not the teachers. It’s the students. And that’s not a problem that teachers can, or should be expected, to fix.

Let's get right down to the raw truth, shall we? The reason scores are low is not teachers or students, it's the parents.

But don't mind me. I'm just an old guy who's so thankful for parents who forced me to do what I should and didn't hesitate to whomp my rear end if I screwed up. God rest their souls.

69 posted on 05/03/2018 10:20:51 AM PDT by upchuck (The free press is not a popularity contest. Do your job and stop whining. ~ Suzanner)
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To: Jim Noble

‘End mandatory schooling at eighth grade, and everything will get better, instantly.’

interesting suggestion, but if we don’t like seeing teachers hitting the streets now, imagine what would happen with all the layoffs necessitated by the reduced student body...


92 posted on 05/03/2018 2:13:06 PM PDT by IrishBrigade
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