Posted on 05/02/2018 9:42:10 PM PDT by ransomnote
I am disappointed that the zero-point stuff is still such a mixed bag. However, Qx's and my research over a long period convinces us that there are at least a few different methods to access zero-point energy that are being prevented from public use for the usual list of reasons--namely the oligarchy doesn't want them out.
And, I'm disappointed that neither Judy Wood's, nor the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth, nor Swordmaker have a flawless 100% provable explanation for all the puzzle pieces involved with 9/11.
Such is the current state of the world in such matters, it seems. So we each deal with it in our own ways with our own biases.
I personally don't think you or MHGinTN need to be at each other's throats. None of us have everything all figured out. Probably each of us have a valid point here and there. imho.
I just still have a ... hunch ... or ... intuition ... that even with Judy Wood and the A & E for 9/11 truth--they did arrive at some useful insights and puzzle pieces that are part of the real picture of the real event.
No, I don't have a magic wand to sort the fly specks from the pepper.
I just still resist any compulsion to throw any of the babies out with the bath.
And, I don't have a super-rationalist need to have everything fit in very tidy little boxes. Life is often messier than that. And all the more so when the oligarchy is probably using every means they can to snooker us whether it be with exotic tech, advanced tech, UFO tech or even satanic supernatural stuff.
I greatly appreciate that you still realize the oligarchy likely had a big hand in it all. Thanks much for that.
And, thanks for the patience to have even this somewhat tortured dialogue.
I don't need for us all to sit in a circle, hold hands and sing Kumbya but I do think it's better, generally to treat one another with civility regardless of how wrong we think a fellow Freeper and more so a fellow Christian is.
Assigning motives to someone else is VERY TRICKY and hazardous business. Only God 100% correctly discerns the motives of the heart. He may occasionally share part of such insights with a mortal--but not to beat the other person with that knowledge--in my experience.
I care for you both and hate to see such hostilities toward another FREEPER.
I won't ask for an unrealistic {{{{GROUP HUG}}}} but I can dream. LOL.
Now this paragraph strikes me as wayyyyy overmuch conjecture and assumption. It sounds like a 'high level'sounding grope. Sorry. It just does, to me.
I don't think, even with your seemingly fairly strict 'scientific mind' sort of approach to it--that you have enough information to insist 100% emphatically that exactly that is what DID happen.
I don't know how likely is your scenario is a valid explanation--it just seems like a grope too far, to me.
What a lovely elderly uhhhhh crazy circle for 3 of us—Qx = 71 and I’m 65.
This is likely very off the wall as it came unbidden and I have no clue as to what might have triggered the thought. However, I had a strong inner sense when I read that paragraph that there is some sort of force, energy or agent that GAINS umph, power, potency as it gets closer to the target. I understand how, Swordmaker, the thermodynamics law would prevent such a reality. Nevertheless, I don't often have that strong an inner sense about something without it eventually proving to have been at least true to a significant degree. Mystifying. Curious. Don't know what it might mean.
Yes, it might have to do with some 'spiritual' force, for lack of a better description.
And, I don't know that my intuition had anything to do with 9/11. It was sort of an abstract, generalized knowing thing, sort of insight. Not necessarily referring to 9/11.
Curious. Very curious.
I tend to not attempt to argue or teach those who are convinced the towers were deliberately demolished from the inside. Minds made up. The facts are out there in hundreds of places, and I have other (less frustrating and more fruitful) things to do.
So, thanks for making the effort here. I suspect a few lurkers will benefit from it.
You mean, you can watch that implosion and not realize that was a controlled demolition?
a) the lesser weight on lower floors leading to slower compression
b) the atmospheric pressure gradient (admittedly slight) due to the higher altitude of the top floors...
Is there a T-P phase diagram for the conversion of elemental O2 and N2 to plasma -- counterexample might be closed-to-cloud lightning due to electrostatics prior to creation of plasma...recall e.g. the risk of cognition/explosion of grains dust due to surface area / static charges to initiate combustion.
Or if combustion of the microparticles in the smoke is essentially complete, they will stop radiating visible light...
Hey, MHG, do you want to be on the Electric Universe Ping List?
And yes, we/I have a misunderstanding, perhaps. But the plasma you want to be the means to dustify the floors and columns was not present as evidenced by the absence of a pyroclastic cloud at ground level where people were walking away from the collapses being less than 1 block from the towers as the cloud engulfed them.
Don't raise red herrings regarding the Architects and Engineers. It is reasonable to believe they too cannot actually reconcile the disparate evidence. I am convinced a directed energy weapon was used on the Tower complex. If one is not familiar with the effects of one then the clues are invisible, just anomalous data: like the cylindrical holes in buildings not hit by planes (#s 4,5 & 6} that were not caused by 'falling debris; the voids are cored out, with no significant debris pile at the bottom of the cylindrical holes.
The mass of paper which rained down all over the scene is evidence that a plasma did not dustify the floors. The strange (to someone not familiar with the vagaries of directed energy weapons) apparent burn patterns on vehicles not adjacent to the buildings is a huge clue, one which Judy Wood has sought to explain. Huge vertical column steel was literally airborne, taking flight in a manor that compression ejection cannot explain. Large vertical columns can be seen turning to dust, not toppling over. The presence of materials which would have been consumed with a plasma, while materials much more dense are absent in the debris is yet another clue.
I will not go into details on the Internet as to how this is hallmark of a directed energy weapon. But I am convinced one was used / tuned to/upon the tower complex on 911. I will send you more on such weaponry via freepmail, but right now I have domestic conundrums to deal with. Have a good Sunday afternoon.
Yes, that would be more convenient than my having to search out threads on the topics. Thanx ... ThanQ
Such combustion from a plasma would toast all that paper which rained down un singed all over lower Manhattan.
Do you know about their primary website?
The Thunderbolts Project ™ — A voice for the Electric Universe Explore their "Picture of the Day" . . . always interesting.
There's a link on there to their Youtube channel also.
I too am willing to look at fringe stuff. . . but once they fake their evidence? As Judge Judy says, "Lie to me in one thing, and everything else you say is suspect."
Physicist Judy did do some good work prior to 2004. I scanned through what papers were available. I have to ask myself what happened to her in 2004 that derailed her into the fringes? Perhaps she DID have an insight that caused someone to start paying attention to what she was saying and decide that she needed personal attention short of being disappeared. THERE is where the CIA and MKUltra may have reared it's ugly head. Wood took a distinct turn down a path that made her untouchable. Within two years she lost her professorship and her papers became un-publishable because of her new associations with almost every kooky, fringe idea that came along. That sounds like what they do; hide what they don't want anyone paying attention to in a cacophony of what appears to be similar noise, so much of it that it makes it almost impossible to discern the germ of truth among all that useless and often idiotic noise.
Conversion of a once qualified scientist into a poly-kook, serves two purposes: first, it dissuades those who see the fakers, fringe causes, questionable website links, and other alternative "disciplines" whom the now-pseudo-scientist supports and lends his or her degrees and "gravitas" to, it discourages these researchers from wasting time even looking; and second, it sends those who do take the time to use this person's website and authority, down blind alleys, chasing after red-herrings, and accepting nonsense as factual from these "supported" fakers, fringe causes, questionable website links, and alternative disciplines BECAUSE the "scientist" who once had "gravitas" seems to be, or actually IS, endorsing their conclusions, while many of them may actually have been put in place by the bad-actors themselves.
And, I don't have a super-rationalist need to have everything fit in very tidy little boxes. Life is often messier than that. And all the more so when the oligarchy is probably using every means they can to snooker us whether it be with exotic tech, advanced tech, UFO tech or even satanic supernatural stuff.
I know that the government's UFO research project of the 1960s actively sought to "debunk" sightings of UFOs. . . and now we learned that they actively sent out reports of easily explainable UFO sightings to obfuscate any potential REAL sightings. On October 8, 1967, at about 9:15 PM, I had my own encounter with a true flying saucer.
I was 18 years old, running the publicity for an appearance of Up With People at Hughes Stadium at Sacramento City College for the Sacramento Union Newspaper and Sing Out Sacramento. (The newspaper editor had given me Samuel (Mark Twain) Clemens' old roll top desk to use while I was doing it!)
The UWP stage had been set up on the fifty yard line and I was standing backstage with a Pentax Reflex Camera I'd borrowed from the paper in my hands, trying to get a silhouette view of some of the singers on their risers along with the 8000 members of the audience in the grandstand in the background to be used in the next morning's newspaper. I had the camera lens really opened up wide to get the crowd in color (F1.4, IIRC), as the Sacramento Union had excellent color capability.
As I was standing facing west, thinking about the best angle, and if I would need to move farther back on the field, a disk shaped object reflecting the lights of the city, floated silently from the north, and came to a stop over and behind the crowd. I got the impression that it was slightly rotating as it stayed in place. As I think about it, why I thought it was rotating, it must have had some feature on it that moved which gave that impression. My recollection is that it was a counter-clockwise rotation.
It seemed to me to be about three times the size of a full moon, and if I had to guess, I'd say 150 to 200 feet in diameter, using the buildings which were behind and below it as comparison. It stayed, floating there for perhaps two minutes, and then suddenly shot straight up at high speed and dwindled rapidly out of sight. I'm pretty sure my jaw was on the ground. Not once during the entire episode did I even think that I was standing there WITH A CAMERA IN MY HANDS!
The audience was completely oblivious. But the 70 or so young Up With People performers on stage all saw it. . . and I was to learn the next year when I was at Mackinac College (which is where Up With People was originated before it became a college) that the UFO became Topic A on the tour buses that year. My college roommate, Ollie Howe, had been on stage during that performance and had also seen it.
I did get a great color shot of the crowd and the performers in silhouette. . . but alas, no flying saucer.
The UFO sounds fascinating, for sure.
The founder of the university Qx taught at in Taipei was big on UP WITH PEOPLE. I think she was on the Board or some such. Anyway--he did some digging and found out it was an oligarchy front org to influence youth into the oligarchy's globalist values and schemes.
Jocko, It is the logical concatenation of what had to happen following the initiating of even one floor falling on another. As two floors fall, the third is added. I am using the logical series of physical events that MUST occur using the science we KNOW occurs. These thing are reproducible. You compress a gas that quickly by 180 times to 2700 PSI, it will get so hot the electrons are stripped off. A gas with free electrons is, by definition, a plasma. This is SCIENCE. Those electrons were seen in the clouds as lightning. Ergo, it happened.
Concrete spalls at just a few HUNDRED degrees Centigrade in normal pressure atmosphere. I checked this to be sure. But at 2700 PSI, it REALLY can shatter. All the water that's still in the cement that holds concrete together is removed and what is left, a form of clinker, is only a fraction of the strength of the original concrete. STEEL BURNS in high pressure at 4400º F and that's a low temperature for a plasma.
The thin steel doors of the elevators are nowhere designed to withstand 2700 PSI, 180 atmospheres of pressure. They will give way. They aren't sealed. The stairwells have one hour rated fire doors. . . but that assumes a normal fire, not something that's under huge pressure caused by thousands of tons of falling debris.
Jocko, I was just in Yosemite last weekend. There was a rockfall off of El Capitan a few years ago of about 1,000,000 tons of rock. The ranger told us that HURRICANE FORCE WIND those rocks created in falling destroyed several houses in the staff residence area over a half-mile away from where the rocks wound up. People one mile away were blown off their feet. The sound was like an extended sonic boom. That's the kind of air-pressure falling debris can create moving the air out of its way.
To demonstrate this phenomenon for yourself, take a four-foot x four foot piece of ¾" plywood and just drop it from three feet onto a flat floor and feel the wind and hear the sound that makes. Now, multiply that piece of plywood by 2,500 all connected together, all doing the same thing, inexorably dropping 15 - 16 feet in the time frame of less than a tenth of a second! That's the air-ram piston of just ONE FLOOR of the WTC Towers. . . and there were 104 of them in each tower!
This is the logic chain I am following. It too is inexorable. I can find nothing to block or stop this cascading series of events. I know physics. I know analysis of what happens. Every step is defensible and follows the laws of science. These are the falling dominoes of the events that must happen after the failure of the first couple of floors. These events and the high-pressure (based on Boyle's LAW) plus plasma physics explain what happened to the concrete and steel of the missing floors and even the central core.
Frankly, Jocko, unless we go with the "floors" flew away (which, in a way, they did as dust), or the floors were transported to an alternative dimension type theory, this is the only really viable explanation. It covers all the observed facts.
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