Posted on 05/02/2018 9:42:10 PM PDT by ransomnote
People like you have been trying to shame folks who have experienced UAPs and abduction events for decades. Your methodology is not a mystery, you seek to malign those you either don't agree with or whom you have been instructed to malign.
And for this record, Dr. Judy Wood has more credibility than you could ever have because she has stuck to the 'what' from the beginning. Also, for this record, try explaining the nice round cored out sections of adjacent structures in the Tower complex, or explain for us the vagaries of building Seven which was 'pulled' the afternoon of 9/11, having the perfectly placed charges put in place while the building was belching black smoke..
And finally, when Judy Wood offers her OPINION that a directed energy weapon was used on 911, I agree with her, because no other explanation fits the video evidence from that day and I know that such weapons have been in development since the late eighties.
I can disagree with her on the 'free energy' since I am aware of capacitors which could handle the output quite easily from an airborne platform. But that disagreeing doesn't negate her insights which you are either too dense to comprehend or are serving an agenda to turn folks attention away from the Truth of what happened on 911. Frankly, I suspect you are in the latter.
And just so you see it, that little smear tactic of partial facts regarding Dr Woods associations (some of which she was naïve enough to believe were honest when they were not, and you know that, too) she later repudiated, well that nails your deceptive agenda right there, son.
For the readers of this series of exchanges, two or three of the same agitprops who worked to suppress low energy nuclear reactions are mouthing off on the 911 event, a couple of whom have switched from nano thermite to small nukes and, back again, in their service to divert attention from looking at what actually is in evidence with the videos from 911.
You've no doubt heard of project mockingbird? well, son, the CIA and deep state have done the same seeding for disinformation purposes in the Scientific community. You are starting to look like one of their seeds.
There was no pyroclastic cloud. Too much paper reign down on Manhattan and no evidence of such a super heated dust cloud was in evidence since people walked out of the dust for two and three blocks, starting from less than a block from the collapses. But don’t expect the government disinformation drones to allow anyone to focus upon such small items of TRUTH.
BTW, tell us the truth now, your name wouldn’t be S Jones would it?
Now you've taken to calling me a CIA liar? That's reprehensible, MHGinTN.
Do you know any physics at all? I didn't think so.
Lord save me from people with little knowledge.
What in hell has the color of the smoke got to do with it? No pope elected yet?
Let me ask you a question. How does a Diesel engine work? What causes the fuel to ignite? No spark plugs.
COMPRESSION OF THE AIR/FUEL MIXTURE, MHGinTN. When you push the piston down It gets HOT! That's part of Boyle's Law of gases. Compress a gas, it gets hotter, allow it to expand, it cools down. Heat is nothing more than molecules bumping into each other. . . push them closer together, they bump more often. It's hotter!
Take the 600,000 cubic feet of air of just one floor and in just a fraction of a second squeeze it down and try to fit it into a one inch or LESS deep space X 40,000 square feet... it is GOING TO GET VERY HOT and it's going to try to find a way OUT at a very high velocity, likely faster than the speed of sound—you ever hear a bull whip crack? That's the sound barrier being broken!
Remember that woman on the plane that had the engine shatter and break her porthole right next to her? The compression of just a few pounds difference carried her half out the broken window.
When that compressed air does find away out, it will be carrying pulverized desks, walls, paper, computers, glass, concrete, wood, people, art objects, money, phones, carpet, paint, clothes, everything with it in whatever direction it can find.
It's a fluid. . . A VERY HOT FLUID GAS, HOTTER than you can imagine.
It's now a PLASMA, stripped of all it's electrons.
We can calculate the temperature using Boyles Law. . . Any decent Heating and Air Conditioning guy can probably do it.
Take the starting room temperature 73º F, the volume of the room 600,000 cubic feet, assume its same as the volume of the air in the room, beginning pressure is 15 LBs per square inch, use near 3000 cubic feet (less than 1" X 40,000 square feet) as the final volume of the room's atmosphere, and time as close to one second and final pressure (180 times 15 Lbs) greater than it was before of ~2,700 lbs per square inch (did I mention that most flooring concrete unless it's poured for a special purpose, is ~2,000 pound per square inch resistant concrete? But that's at room temperature.). . . Assume that air does't get to go anywhere for our purposes. . .closed system. It just stays compressed. Calculate for ending temperature after the compression.
Remember my question about that Diesel engine? A Diesel engine uses a 15 to 20 to one compression ratio to achieve ignition. This air we just looked at in our WTC Tower floor had a 180 to one compression ratio.
But YOU, WE, can't see what's happening, because it's hidden behind all the clouds of dust pulverized from the floors that have already been ejected above. A lot of the light is in ultraviolet and infrared. . . because it is a plasma. Have you ever seen a plasma torch? This is mostly Nitrogen and Oxygen but there are other elemental plasmas. Plasma can destroy concrete, easily. . . especially at 2700 lbs per square inch.
That's some hydraulic compression resistance, but it has a way out . . . and in. In to the central core. . . and, as I stated, most likely at hypersonic velocities. Do you know what such sounds do to concrete? By the way, it's carrying a lot of abrasive stuff with it. Did you know that at those hypersonic velocities, water will cut through an inch thick plate steel better and more accurately than an oxyacetylene torch?
That core was not designed to withstand what it was experiencing.
By the way, remember that plasma is a hot gas stripped of its electrons. There was lightning in the clouds of smoke and dust surrounding both towers. . . the source most likely was from the electrons from the plasma.
Now to address your no heat of the pyroclastic cloud. That cloud was composed of microscopic particle. Each of them may have started out hot, but they give up their heat very rapidly. They don't individually have much mass to carry heat. Just as one can walk on a bed of red-hot coals due to the fact that each of the red-hot coals your feet come in contact with has little mass and your feet have a great deal of mass, the coal's ability to burn just is not present. The heat is dissipated in the larger mass before it can damage it. The dust clouds were essentially ash. Ash has very little heat coefficient which requires mass. Similarly hot air rises. Which it did at the WTC, expending its energy in exchange for altitude.
The people we saw on news leaving the clouds of dust, started walking away blocks and blocks away from the blast centers having been moved back from the WTC before they fell, to make room for emergency personnel. They would not have been singed. They were not close to the heat and what particles they encountered were too far from the center. . . and the particles were cooled by the time the reached the ground. The WTC collapse was no Mt. St. Helens.
This is just basic science. No conspiracy theories needed. Nice try.
Incidentally, if the 104 floors did not "pancake," MHGinTN, what DID THEY DO? Fly off into the sky? This is the conundrum for those who claim something else was done. . . especially those who claim there isn't enough material in the crater to account for the building, like Dr. Wood. What's the ad hoc explanation of the day?
Show some evidence that was not produced by some guy that was outed with a battery in his machine, or who did not admit he faked his video because it "should have worked."
I actually think that we CAN tap into the energy fields of the Electric Universe. . . but not when Charlatans like Hutchison give such research a bad name. That is why I shoot them down. Dr. Wood is NOT HELPING!
Jocko, I maintain the Electric Universe Ping List on FR. Some think I am a kook for the reason. . . but I am following the science. Hutchison and Wood are NOT. If, and this is the critical if, they can show the Hutchison effect is reproducible, then I will pay attention to them. They cannot. Even Dr. Wood cannot with her degree in physics. I've seen some experiments that look good, and others have reproduced them, but not every time, so the determination is still out. . . but Hutchison has been making his claims for DECADES and no verifiable results. Sorry.
How does making a fool of yourself help you, son?
You asked, “What in hell has the color of the smoke got to do with it?” Son, you know that a fire is not as hot if it is oxygen starved, which is why it belches darker smoke. You really should stop before you remove all your covers.
Oh, so by OMISSION. Prove a negative. "People LIKE ME." WOW!
What did I lie about Wood? What did I omit? I freely admit I don't know everything about her. I don't know what she has for breakfast. Or lunch. I omitted those gems. I certainly did not set out to write a complete dissertation or book on the subject of 911 in which I covered ever single subject TO YOUR SATISFACTION so that nothing was omitted, so you would think I had not lied by omission. Heaven forfend, no.
Where have I challenged "abduction events" or UAPs? WHO in hell is instructing me????
You've dropped over into tin-foil hattery, M. I work for no one. . . and to imply such is insane. You are really getting offensive and highly insulting to a fellow freeper.
"Pulled" Good grief. That old canard? I have friends who are firefighters. Everyone of them knew exactly what was being said. When they give up on trying to save a building the chief in charge often says, "Let's pull it." Meaning "pull the men out." "Give up. There is no further use in wasting effort." I understood it the moment it was SAID. "Pull the equipment back, pull the men and equipment out, and let the building burn." It does NOT mean "blow it up," for Pete's sake. That was the claim of one of the first TIN FOIL HAT CONSPIRACY BRIGADE IDIOTS!
If they are going to going to blow a building, and they do blow up buildings for safety purposes or for a fire break, the terminology is "OK, let's blow it." or just "Blow it!" A guy I know is the local specialist for that. He hasn't blown one up in years. . . he kinda wishes one would be necessary. They don't use ambiguous terminology. SHEESH!
Again with the color of the smoke. What do YOU think the color of smoke means?
Re: Directed Energy Weapons.
Do you know what the problem with directed energy weapons is, MHGinTN? The problem is that there must be MORE energy at the source of the weapon than will hit the target. . . That's the third LAW of thermodynamics. Equal and opposite reactions. The other problem with directed energy weapons is they are generally line of sight only from the weapon to the target.
So, MHG, what modality is it with Dr. Wood? Is it the Hutchison effect that caused the steel of the WTC to gellify and thus collapse the building, some other Hutchison effect that caused anti-gravity to destroy the towers, or was it directed energy Star Wars like weaponry?
Apparently it's anything BUT what millions of people saw, an airliner hitting at least the second tower. So which is it?
Right now it seems to me that people are merely throwing pseudo-science solutions at the WTC Towers to see what might stick. . . so long as it is NOT normal physics and the things we can prove using the tables of the softening of steel and the weight of too many floors piling one after another on floors that could only hold twice their expected loads. . . and failed due to the curtain wall support end being sheared away on at least one and possibly two sides putting too great a strain on the remaining exterior structural supports, causing a cascade failure of all the remaining floors, which in turn, caused a final cascade failure of the central core.
Could the Deep State been behind it. Certainly.
Your little education game might convince some that you are sincere, but it merely exposes your desperation to support your false, CIA generated explanation. Remember how CIA tried to convince us that what was seen by the witnesses in the 800 case was not what what they saw? IIRC, Louie Free debunked that crap stream.
As to your pyroclastic cloud, ask the folks who walked out of it or were propelled a block backwards by it if they were singed. LOL, you're so exposed now!
Amd lastly, son, your assertions by inference:
Incidentally, if the 104 floors did not "pancake," MHGinTN, what DID THEY DO? Fly off into the sky? [As a matter of video evidence, yes they did. The dust cloud rose nearly to the Jetstream, IIRC. Satellite imagery was interesting that day. And the lack of a seismic registry was also interesting. Want to 'educate us in your knowledge of seismic waves now?] This is the conundrum for those who claim something else was done. . . especially those who claim there isn't enough material in the crater to account for the building, like Dr. Wood. What's the ad hoc explanation of the day? [Crater? LOL, the debris didn't even make it down to the third level below street level under the towers! The lights remained on in the subway terminals![
Focus upon someone else to spittle your deceit, son, I'm bored with exposing you. Or, just enjoy your boasting, doesn't matter really. I doubt you're paid by the hour.
Look, Mhg. If Wood has repudiated such "dishonest" things, then she should have REMOVED THEM FROM HER SITE! Don't leave links of her discussions of her supporting them on there SHOWING her support and her arguments for them, and links to their sites on her home page with photos and glowing comments. Don't leave their PAPERS there. Don't link to their YouTubes. I spent quite a bit of time exploring her website to find out what she was all about. I know hogwash when I see it and read it.
Don't leave her support for Hutchison out there FRONT AND CENTER! DELETE All of THEM!
You are defending the indefensible with Dr. Wood. From what I see, she is "have PhD will support" as far as FRINGE sites are concerned. I have very little patience with scientists who prostitute their science in this way. . . and she does.
I have no connection with the government in any way, especially the CIA, MHGinTN. . . and your dishonest accusations are the ALINSKY tactics on this thread. WOOD is in my a narcissistic charlatan. . . one who uses her degree to push pseudo-science as proof of her hobby horse.
I am still open minded on low-energy nuclear phenomena but her inclusion of it along with all the rest of her poppy-cock rankles because she INCLUDED it along with fakers such as Hutchison and smears some well meaning scientists. SHE's the one who paints too broad a swath with her kookiness.
The seeds of Mockingbird are alive and well in non-sensible idiocy like this non-sense.
I couldn’t resist exposing you a little more. You spittled: “”Pulled” Good grief. That old canard?” It was Larry Silverstein who coined the Internet use of the phrase regarding building Seven. His ‘old cannard’ may still be available on Youtube. He wasn’t referring to removing firefighters from the building. But that was just another example of your deceitful efforts. Keep it up, you might win a prize!
MHG, I am likely older than you, so cut out the "son" ad hominem. You have been insulting and attacking me without knowing a thing about me. CUT IT OUT. The only one making a fool out of himself is you. I have posted the math, the facts, and evidence. You have posted insults and accusations. That is the sure sign of someone bereft of evidence.
Do you know any physics. I still don't think you do. You have not demonstrated a working knowledge.
BTW, I rank Wal Thornhill among the great science minds from the last century.
I’m seventy-two, Steven.
No, black smoke can also be affected by WHAT is burning. Oil smoke is usually black. Some chemicals burn with black smoke. What was coming from the WTC was both smoke and DUST, mostly dust and particulate matter. That which fell down was the dust and particulate matter. That which rose was smoke along with finer dust and particulates. There were a lot of synthetics in the building that would burn with a blacker smoke. Your claim that there was no compression is entirely wrong.
I am well aware of oxygen starvation in fires. . . but are you aware of the reports of the strong street level winds TOWARD the towers. They were drawing air toward them. There was a roll of cloud from the ground up, then back down.
Look, idiot, if you're going to continue with the insults, I might as well join you.
What force DUSTIFIED the floors? What force could do that? I have not disagreed with you on that. In fact, you and I may not be too far apart. Think about it. My view is that only the first few floors ever "pancaked." After that, the falling debris was to great to allow such an event to occur. The FORCE of the floors coming down is MONUMENTAL and it is that with compressed gas, turning into a plasma which in many ways actually has the HEAT to turn steel and concrete into dust. Each floor has to be sequentially destroyed as this HUGE mass reaches it. There is essentially a wave front that has the immediately next floor as a quasi-flat leading face that actually destroys each successive floor. We are, as you put it, talking a 500,000 tonne building and watching it successively come down, and as each floor comes down one more floor, the mass impinging on each floor is just that much greater and thus the destructive FORCE is also that much greater.
So, MHGinTN. . . I shall withdraw my "Idiot" as I think we are actually in agreement. I never said that the floors wound up at the bottom as I never thought that was so. I too think the forces destroyed the material on the way down and spread it over the city. . . but I think you've made an assumption that's what I meant that there would be a flapjack pile at the bottom. I knew that never happened. Just as you assumed I said there was no steel in the central column. I also know that Dr. Wood knows that pancake pile never happened.
I think as this mass of floor debris falls on each successive floor, the air in the next floor down is compressed, which according to Boyles Law causes it to become super heated, stripped of its electrons, and is turned into a plasma. This plasma is at several thousand degrees and incinerates everything to ash in seconds. The concrete floor spalls and shatters. . . as does the central core column as the superheated plasma erodes and spalls the concrete, the plasma/superheated air blasts through the elevator doors to join the already hot air at high pressure in the shafts (see Boyles law) and shatters the column at that level.
That floor falls, adding its SOME of its mass to the already stupendous mass that destroyed it, while SOME blasts out as huge amounts of hot dust and particulates and hot ash and even hotter smoke through the destroyed curtain wall/windows, some to blast away from the building and fall, some to rise into the air.
On to the next floor. All of this occurs on each floor in a fraction of a second.
Rinse, repeat, Each time the force is GREATER and more is expelled out the sides because there is MORE pressure and therefore more force to push the particulates and dust away under tremendous plasma and air pressure. (Remember the lightning — Like charges repel, more force spreads the dust and ash.) By the time the last floor is pulverized, there's not much left to drop into the crater. Mechanical forces and gravity have destroyed it all.
So, MHGinTN. . . can we agree we had a misunderstanding?
So do i. . . but not Hutchison.
LOL, You got me by three years. I'm 69. . . and it ain't Steven.
Yeah, I didn’t think there was a super-heated cloud either. Thanks.
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