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This alone is enough of a reason to go to war!

Seriously, whats with all the rporting on every thing that goes on with the Russians. This is stuff straight out of the cold war, like Russian spy ships and planes, and really is not worth reporting unless someone has an agenda to keep the Russians on our minds as the biggest boogie man of them all. The ChiComs are more threatening.

I guess since those wily Russians are always up to something they must be preparing for war.sarc

1 posted on 03/17/2018 4:41:28 PM PDT by BBell
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To be realistic Ivan is probably more worried about China and Iran than us.


2 posted on 03/17/2018 4:44:12 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (All I know is what I read in the papers.)
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the neocons have to keep us scared and fearful

hence these silly articles


3 posted on 03/17/2018 4:46:41 PM PDT by vooch (America First Drain the Swamp)
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LOL. Because almost all our artillery isn’t self propelled. Shoot and scoot is standard.


4 posted on 03/17/2018 4:48:30 PM PDT by Kozak (DIVERSITY+PROXIMITY=CONFLICT)
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6 posted on 03/17/2018 4:56:06 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Demographics destroys cultures more completely than thermonuclear war.)
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You have to wonder what the tank crews think of their new role.


7 posted on 03/17/2018 4:58:05 PM PDT by teacherwoes (Indoctrination is often done under the shadow of a gun)
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As soon as the enemy fires in retaliation, Orlan drones pinpoint the enemy's location and transmit it to the tanks and allied artillery.

Air superiority. No drones, no problem.

8 posted on 03/17/2018 4:58:19 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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Fake news.

Tanks are easily destroyed. There are no General Patton battles anymore. It took half an hour to destroy all Iraqi tanks.


10 posted on 03/17/2018 5:00:42 PM PDT by TheNext
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The US has used the shoot and scoot method using self propelled artillery for decades. Radar controlled counter battery fire was used quite well in the 60’s. Ivan needs to get with the program.


13 posted on 03/17/2018 5:02:50 PM PDT by redcatcherb412
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This is fairly standard coverage. NI has hired writers who do equipment and tactical comparisons all the time. Russia isn’t the main adversary, but it is an adversary. It covets, at the very least, the territory of the former Warsaw Pact, in addition to that of the former Soviet Union. It would be nice if Trump could convert Putin into an ally, but the odds are small unless he’s willing to hand over all the territory the Russians want. Upon which the question would be what the next Russian demand would be.

The Chinese are the main event, but we can have more than one adversary at a time. It would be nice to have the Russians on our side against the Chinese, but just as the West was unable to get Italy on its side against Germany prior to WWII, it’s possible, and I’d say likely, that Russia will be China’s version of Germany’s Italian or Japanese ally in the next war to come. A more ancient analogue would be to Russia’s role as a Mongol vassal many centuries ago - with Russian armies acting as the Mongol Empire’s auxiliaries. (The knowledge the Russians acquired of Mongol equipment, strategy and tactics was used later to rid themselves of the Mongol yoke).


14 posted on 03/17/2018 5:03:31 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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“” “” Russia has unveiled a devious new battlefield tactic: use tanks as decoys in order to hunt down enemy artillery batteries.

It’s a bait-and-switch con job that relies on relies on Russian tanks, drones, artillery—and an opponent that is just a tad gullible.”” “”

That’s one strange take on this.

The point of exercise is that the rebels in East Ukraine got to use some cheap drones for artillery correction in their civil war. Normally indirect artillery fire is super inaccurate requiring hundreds of rounds to hit a specific target. Their tactics of using drones to adjust targeting real-time allowed to increase accuracy like ten-fold.

For obvious reasons tanks aren’t usually used for indirect fire because their ammo load is not sufficient to hit a target this way.

Actually borrowing the rebel tactic the Russians are overcoming a mentioned above limitation significantly increasing combat effectiveness of a tank. Combining with a counter-battery radar it also allows to employ tanks for counter-battery tasks which is novel too.


20 posted on 03/17/2018 5:23:40 PM PDT by NorseViking
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Russia is always trying to win the last war. Counter-battery fire. LOL. What is this, 1812 and the retreat from Moscow?


21 posted on 03/17/2018 5:31:43 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (What profits a man if he gains the world yet loses his soul?)
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Let me get this straight, use tanks as sacrificial lambs in place of mobile arty to draw fire so you can use your arty to counter fire because you have crap sigint.

Sucks to be you.


25 posted on 03/17/2018 5:55:55 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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“Hey, can they do that?”


30 posted on 03/17/2018 6:09:41 PM PDT by dfwgator
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Lame. Wouldn’t work against US forces. Our counterbattery fire is just way too fast in response. And where is this land war between the USA and Russia supposed to happen?

It’d likely work on a Ukrainian militia though.


31 posted on 03/17/2018 6:12:26 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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“Russia’s Devious New Battlefield Tactic: Use Tanks as Decoys to Kill Enemy Artillery”

Not a great plan, even if we only used artillery to kill tanks. Besides, does anyone think the Ruskies are going to tell us their real battle tactics?


36 posted on 03/17/2018 7:22:09 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (The first step in ending the war on white people is to recognize it exists.)
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How is shoot and scoot by a tank any different from shoot and scoot by a self propelled howitzer?


37 posted on 03/17/2018 7:54:46 PM PDT by fso301
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“How well could the U.S. military perform this?”

I am sure we can but it is not really important in a conflict with Russia. The side that is losing will go to tactical nukes and the other side will bring in their tactical nukes which will soon escalate to strategic nukes landing on Russian and American homeland. Russia nor America will ever go to war with each other in a head to head conflict. Neither side wants to die!


48 posted on 03/17/2018 10:26:34 PM PDT by cpdiii
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Self propelled artillery? Shoot and scoot? My goodness, whatever will they think of next. Glad we have the press to keep us abreast of the latest developments.


50 posted on 03/18/2018 12:54:26 AM PDT by sphinx
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There have been articles on FR about Russia decentralizing command and control for fifteen years. This is not new news.

It has been one of Putin’s primary reforms of the Russian Military, moving away from Soviet-era ideas.


53 posted on 03/18/2018 5:36:49 AM PDT by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
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