The "list" released in Washington today highlights Russian operatives who have been at work in their meddling since 2014, before Trump announced his candidacy. Their goal was not to get a certain person elected, but to capitalize on vulnerabilities within our society and electoral process to stir what little chaos they can. Even our arguments between each other on this board are reflective of their goals...
If you choose to spend a meaningful amount of time in Russia, you will witness the circus-like nature of their "elections", the rampant fraud, ballot stuffing, and rigging -- just, the overall dysfunctional nature of their attempts at "democracy" in general. Under Putin especially, the country has failed to forge meaningful democratic and free economic institutions in the wake of the collapse of the USSR. It is instead a kleptocratic, oligarchy power-vertical.
Think Blue State/Red State divide is bad? Modern Russia has outright Islamic republic outposts like Chechnya within their own territory that they have to keep happy and stable lest there be civil war...again. and again.
The Kremlin-owned media distracts the Russian public from their own grievances with news of instability "elsewhere," which is why examples like "Occupy Wall Street" and "Black Lives Matter" and the refugee crisis in Europe gets ten times the amount of coverage on their news networks than their *own* very real social problems, their *own* insecurity over Muslims in their own land... (Ethnic Russia is in the midst of severe demographic crisis.)
Lest the Russian people protest and demand more from their leaders...
In 2014, we were vulnerable as a nation under Obama. And Putin, fresh off a hotly contested return to power: oversaw the nation as they aggressively doped their way through the Sochi Olympics, annexed Crimea and invaded East Ukraine and made preparations for Syria.
Yet even all those actions cant hide nor make up for their lingering insecurities...so this is their outlet: sabotage stronger countries they envy and resent however they can. Because let's face it: a confident nation would be *friendly* to America. They'd be busy overseeing a booming economy, their own compelling nail biter free elections, hosting public debates about their Soviet legacy without censoring films about Stalin or sending Gulag archivists to the mental asylum...
Theyd be building untouchable alliances with other successful (not rogue) countries etc...
But as the Trump's "MAGA" election attests to, our electoral system is alive and well. Outside the beltway candidates CAN win, miracles CAN happen, and "forgotten people" in states as remote as Iowa and West Virginia do get a say.
And this is bad for leaders like Putin, because it emboldens people in countries like his to pursue the same freedoms and demand the same realities of their own governments.
~ GS_R
*PING*
In fact, the Russian problem now has much deeper roots. “Few Western specialists on Russia are prepared to acknowledge that perestroika was a KGB-planned operation directed at seizing power with the goal of privatizing state property” or that “in August 1991 there was no liberal let alone a democratic revolution” but rather a carefully planned operation to “channel” mass enthusiasm in the direction the organs needed.
Their economy is the size of New York State’s - good luck with that, we’ll spend them into bankruptcy...again.
“Even our arguments between each other on this board are reflective of their (Russia’s) goals...”
Is it really necessary to shit on those who may disagree with you?
On a July 2017 program, Morning Joe, Joe Scarborough stared into the camera and invited people to contact him if theyre aware of a presidential campaign that accepted oppo research or support from a foreign power.
Hey, Mika/Joe how about Mexico interfering with every US election since LBJ was president with donations, bribes and millions of Illegal voters?
Carlos Slim* owns a large share of the NY Slimes and ensures that the Slimes has had daily hit pieces on Candidate and President Trump for close to two years!
What Country provided at least 90% of the illegal voters in 2016. It wasnt Russia/Russia!
Mexico has been interfering with our elections since LBJ was president. It wasnt the evil Russians interfering with our elections. It has been and is the evil and elite white rulers of the Mexican Government and their illegals sent here forced to come here by the elite Mexican Rulers.
Last year, hundreds of illegal aliens and other sanctuary city advocates filled the Texas House gallery to protest a bill that will protect Texans from criminal illegal aliens.
During that protest some illegal aliens held signs saying I am illegal and here to stay. Texas Republican Representative Matt Rinaldi then decided to call ICE on the self described illegals.
The Russia/Russia bs was and still is, just a rat and rino distraction from the real meddlers and real interfering evil scum of our elections. The Mexican Government, their illegals here, the rat politicians, and our Rinos, who want them for their cheap labor and votes. These scumbags are the real meddlers in our election, not Russia!
Illegals and their liberal supporters threatening Texas legislators for daring to uphold our laws re immigration in the Gallery @ the Texas Legislature Building.
How many millions of $s/Pesos has Mexico donated to the democrats to keep their illegals in America, since LBJ?
How much Mexican money did Obama and Clinton receive personally and for their elections?
How many illegal Mexicans voted for Illiarily in the 2016 election and for Obama's two terms?
How many illegal Mexicans voted for rats to control our cities, counties, states and of course at our federal level in 2016?
How many Hispanic tv channels like Univision, do we have on Comcast, Direct TV, Dish TV and other tv providers, that we pay for, and we dont speak Spanish? Who owns those Spanish only channels? Why do we have to pay for Spanish TV channels/stations, when we dont speak Spanish? Didn't these Hispanic channels/stations support Clinton in 2016?
Again: Who owns a large % of the NY Slimes and other US election meddling companies?
It is past time for our Congress to stop the Mexican meddling/interference/hacking at every level in America.
How many millions of $s has Mexico donated to the democrats to keep their illegals here, at every level, city, county, state and Federal level?
Again, the Russia/Russia bs was just a rat and rino distraction from the real meddlers and real interfering evil scum of our elections, the elite rulers of Mexico and their illegals in America.
ATTENTION RUSSIAN AGENTS AND SPIES! If you wish to collude with candidate Trump, take a number and be seated.
The Mexican Government, their illegals here, the rat politicians controlled by them, and our Rinos, who want them for their cheap labor and votes, are the real meddlers in our elections, not Russia!
It is time to enforce our standing laws against illegal Mexican immigration and Mexican illegals voting!
*Carlos Slim Helú (Spanish pronunciation: [ˈkaɾlos esˈlim eˈlu]; born January 28, 1940) is a Mexican business magnate, investor, and philanthropist. From 2010 to 2013, Slim was ranked as the richest person in the world.