One Israeli assassin, a North Korean train explosion, dead Syrian scientists,...

NK News/Nate Thayer ^ | JUNE 20, 2013 | NATE THAYER

[TXnMA]

"There was no crater at the Murrah building in OK city..."

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I'm tempted to describe what you are full of; instead, I'll be generous and say that you are misled by a "camouflage effect" on early aerial photos. You sound like the ignorant rantings of the kinds of wackos here on FR who just have to see some sort of conspiracy in everything that happens.

Check my FRProfile. One of the reasons that I, as a fact-driven scientist. became involved with the analysis of the MB collapse, was because I was fed up with all the wacko BS like yours. ("No crater", "Laser/plasma beam from space", "Cars shoved up beneath the pavement", "Thermobaric (FAE) bomb centered over the parking lot", etc., etc...)

Your fallacy has a very simple explanation. Here's a photo taken about two hours after the explosion:

The blast damaged an A/C "chiller" uphill from the crater, quickly filling it wih red, OK-mud-tinted water. And, the water surface was covered with floating debris -- mostly sheets of paper. Voila! -- an almost perfectly-camouflaged crater!

I spent the better part of a year -- focusing on that crater and determining its dimensions. Obviously, FBI SAIC, Danny Defenbaugh flatly lied, by stating that the crater was covered "to protect water-soluble evidence". The crater was covered by eight (8) sheets of plywood (figure out the maximum dimensions for yourself...). Yet, the FBI reported the crater diameter as 28 to 32 feet -- thereby vastly overstating the force and brisant range of the truck-borne explosion.

As you can see, I'm no "FBI stooge" -- but I will not tolerate the propagation of crap like, "There was no crater at the Murrah building in OK city..." -- when I spent years eliminating such garbage -- in order to come to the correct conclusions (which the FBI misreprsented).

[rjsimmon]

I'm tempted to describe what you are full of; instead, I'll be generous and say that you are misled by a "camouflage effect" on early aerial photos. You sound like the ignorant rantings of the kinds of wackos here on FR who just have to see some sort of conspiracy in everything that happens.

You sound like you have your head up your 5th point of contact. I corrected myself but your eyes were firmly fixed on the dark matter in your digestive tract. STFU.

[TXnMA]

Plain English: "tempted"..."instead"...

I corrected myself before I finished the first sentence.

Furthermore: I apologize.

At least, we (apparently) now agree on the physical facts...

[minnesota_bound]

Barkan Zev Barkan agent 00
Likes his Arak shaken and not stirred.

[huldah1776]

He travels by train. how quaint.

[Zionist Conspirator]

[sarcasm]A-ha!!! This proves that North Korea is secretly run by the Israelis!!![/sarcasm]

[TigerLikesRooster]

At the time, some here at FR speculated that volatile rocket oxidizer is what blew up. Could that be one of possible candidates?

[TXnMA]

I'm not aware of any oxidizer (like a peroxide) that would detonate -- without being intimately mixed with a fuel, first. Even so I don't know of any that would have that energetic a detonation.

FWIW, the steep angle of those crater walls is almost purely a function of the "angle of repose" -- characteristic of that particular soil.

Like you, I am surprised at the depth of the crater. I wonder if the explosives-filled car could have been of the "gondola" or bottom-dumping -- type. That could have vented more of the explosion downward...

However, the aboveground part of the blast did extend for an awfully long way:

That explosion had a much more extended destructive range than did the explosion of about a traincar-load of ammonium nitrate at West, Texas, a few years ago. And the West crater was almost negligible in depth...

BTW, do you know where the scientists supposedly were when they were kiled? In a passing train on the main line?

Anyone close enough to time the explosion to hit a specific passing train car would have been dangerously close -- even with a cell phone-controlled initiator.

Is there a possibility that the explosion could have taken out the super-spy, as well?

[TXnMA]

"Going back and refreshing memory I believe the crater at OKC was fifty feet deep from 4800 pound anfo bomb."

Not even a fifth of that depth -- and only 18 feet in its longest dimension...

As I said, the OKC crater was covered by eight (8) sheets of plywood.

[Rebelbase]

” they used anfo with a blasting cap on top to prime.”

It takes more than a blasting cap to set off ANFO.

I worked on a couple of shots at a quarry back in the day when you could buy dynamite and ANFO and do it yourself.

The blasting cap primes a stick of dynamite which primes the ANFO.

[TXnMA]

See #41 for the real explanation -- with photographic proof.

(The photo was give to me by the photographer -- along with almost a thousand other digital photos -- that (AFAIK) the FBI never got their hands on...)

[UCANSEE2]

Thank you. You are correct. It is the Manchester bombing. My fault for not going all the way back to the website to verify.

I do remember there being pictures of part of the crater, but the rest was covered with planking. None of those photos seem accessible now via Google. Who knows, maybe those were fake.

It would be logical that falling debris would fill the crater, making it very hard to discern.

This is the best 'reference' I can come up with .

[TigerLikesRooster]

As for those Syrian scientists, I don't know of any report pinpointing their exact location. What is interesting, though, is the report(which is also mentioned in this article) that the bodies of dead Syrian scientists were recovered and Syrian plane was sent to recover them. If the report is true, it seems to indicate that they were not blown up to the extent that there were no body parts to collect after the explosion. So maybe they were not next to what blew up. Probably inside something which can shield them from direct exposure.

As for the super-spy, we don't even know how he did it, if he was indeed involved. So we don't even know if he is dead or alive. If somebody knows about it, apparently he is not talking.

[TXnMA]

If you check my FRProfile, you'll see that I'm "somewhat familiar" with the OKBIC Final Report. I can't put my hands on either of my copies right now, but I don't recall that specific image being in our report. In fact, it looks more like it would have come from the BPAT Report.

For one thing, it shows the length of the crater as 28 feet. The crater was actually covered with only eight sheets of plywood -- except for a foot or so of "lip" on each end. The true maximum dimension of the crater (length) was only 18 feet.

The OKBIC report has photos of a Cat tracked excavator (with the bucket replaced with a jackhammer attachment). It was positioned with one track overhanging into the crater -- while it cut the fallen 3' X 5' X 200' "header beam" or "spandrel" into sections that a crane could lift.

Rep. Key flew me to OKC specifically to measure the width of that track. When used as a scale for the photo, the track width yielded the same 18 foot crater length that I had measured by other methods.

The FBI never allowed the BPAT team to approach closer than 200' to the building -- so, they used bogus dimensions fed to them by the FBI. By calculating the explosive size based on a 28 foot crater, they came up with an exaggerated TNT-equivalent charge size. Even that still barely reached the closest column with sufficiently brisant energy to destroy it. In reality, the columns were nearly unscathed at truck level.

Neither the FBI nor the BPAT team of top engineers published any explanation of how that 200' long, 3' thick, and 5' tall reinforced header beam came to be neatly sliced into 40-foot sections with 18-20" of concrete totally missing (pulverized) at each column intersection. (As shown in my drawing, above...)

To make things more interesting, that same, massive beam was totally unscathed in between the missing (red) sections...

How does one do such precise "surgery" to a massive beam, at the third floor level -- with, essentially a single, powerful "puff" of hot air from a truck bomb, out in the street?