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To: PIF; 2banana
In a civil war, if you can capture/use/abuse equipment, you do so. Literally the Syrian civil war is where you use what you got, and your allegiences are temporary. When the "state" of Russia pulled out officially, literally, some soldiers walked into a hanger and took off their patches and uniforms, changed into new attire and started working for various contractors with a "wink and a nod" from Russia (and Syria) .

Anyways, ex Soviet/Russian only munitions are still being used. Infamously, they hit a school yard in Homs with horrific results and ISIS was hiding in a structure close by. Source: Russian only (never exported) cluster munitions from 2S4 in Syria.

ex Russian mortar crews are not that hard to come buy...Russia loves mortars and not hard to figure that a contract group, black group, or even SAA/Russian advisors are using 2S4s on groups of ISIS. They (whoever they are) have been using the thermobaric version of the 240mm shell, reportedly, also. . That is a relatively new munition.

3O8 240mm shell below

Excerpt from link:

Syria was one of the few states which received 240 mm heavy mortar systems from the Soviet Union, and has continued to employ them in service. During the Syrian Civil War, M240 towed mortars were used during the battle for Homs in 2012. Evidence of 240 mm mortar projectiles has been very scarce since that time. It may be that the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) had expended a significant portion of its stockpile of F-864 HE projectiles during these 2012 engagements. Some sources have suggested that the renewed use of 240 mm systems is related to increasing Russian support for the Syrian government, however this remains unconfirmed. Regardless, it appears that these munitions were most likely employed by SAA forces [or other forces].

14 posted on 12/13/2017 8:00:28 AM PST by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!)
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To: DCBryan1

1. I would have to see proof of “some soldiers walked into a hanger and took off their patches and uniforms, changed into new attire and started working for various contractors with a “wink and a nod” from Russia.” Russia is a professional army and you just don’t give up highly technical and professional solders that cost a fortune in training with a “wink and a nod.”

2. Firing mortars or arty accurately in “indirect fire” mode is not easy. ISIS never got the hang of it (all their pics of their capture artillery is in direct “flat” projectile mode when used in combat.

It is even harder with bigger projectiles over longer distances. Calling in a IDF strike would most likely get the observer killed if the guy on the “other end” doesn’t barely knows what he is doing.


15 posted on 12/13/2017 8:12:57 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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