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If Roy Moore was guilty as charged, I'd still support him because.... (VANITY)
11/15/2017 | R2

Posted on 11/15/2017 12:50:04 PM PST by Responsibility2nd

IF (Big IF) Judge Roy Moore was guilty; if he came out today and announced every charge against him was true, I'd still support him and vote for him if I lived in Alabama. Here's why.

1. His record of a conservative politician is outstanding. His many years of service to the State of Alabama far outweighs any stupid actions he may have committed nearly 40 years ago.

2. His past sexual antics pale in comparison to the actual perversions of the average democrat. In a world where Joe Biden, both Bill and Hillary, Bob Menendez (just to name a few current sleazy democrats) get away currently with far greater creepy activites, why not forgive Moore and support him?

3. I would support Moore just to piss off the RINO's who orchestrated and coordinated this smear campaign against Judge Moore. Losers like Mitch McConnell should not get away with this.


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My argument # 2 is weak, I admit that.

We all know that Republ - check that - CONSERVATIVES are held to a higher standard. Dems are really held to no standard at all.

Donning flame suit. Knowing that many here will be mad that I'm even inferring or suggesting that Moore might possibly be guilty. Think that if you will - that is not the point.

Point is - Moore should be supported for these reasons and more.

1 posted on 11/15/2017 12:50:04 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

McConell, Ryan, McCain and the rest of the NWO RINO farm have done far, far worse for the country. I haven’t seen anything credible yet that will make me change my mind if the allegations were true or not.


2 posted on 11/15/2017 12:52:31 PM PST by beergarden
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To: Responsibility2nd

he is being Alinsky-ed. Rule four below

I don’t play anymore.

Saul Alinsky’s Rules from Rules for Radicals

Saul Alinsky describes 24 rules in Rules for Radicals. Of those 24 rules, 13 are rules of “power tactics”:

1. “Power is not only what you have but what the enemy
thinks you have.”

2. “Never go outside the experience of your people.”

3. “Wherever possible go outside of the experience of the
enemy.”

4. “Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.”

5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”

6. “A good tactic is one that your people enjoy.”

7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.”

8. “Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and
actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.”

9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing
itself.”

10. “The major premise for tactics is the development of
operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.”

11. “If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will
break through into its counterside.”

12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive
alternative.”

13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

The remaining 11 rules Alinsky describes are concerned with “the ethics of means and ends”:

1. “One’s concern with the ethics of means and ends varies inversely with one’s personal interest in the issue … Accompanying this rule is the parallel one that one’s concern with the ethics of means and ends varies inversely with one’s distance from the scene of conflict.”

2. “The judgment of the ethics of means is dependent upon the political position of those sitting in judgment.”

3. “In war the end justifies almost any means.”

4. “Judgment must be made in the context of the times in which the action occurred and not from any other chronological vantage point.”

5. “Concern with ethics increases with the number of means available and vice versa.”

6. “The less important the end to be desired, the more one can afford to engage in ethical evaluations of means.”

7. “Generally success or failure is a mighty determinant of ethics.”

8. “The morality of a means depends upon whether the means is being employed at a time of imminent defeat or imminent victory.”

9. “Any effective means is automatically judged by the opposition as being unethical.”

10. “You do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments.”

11. “Goals must be phrased in general terms like ‘Liberty, Equality, Fraternity,’ ‘Of the Common Welfare,’ ‘Pursuit of Happiness,’ or ‘Bread and Peace.’”


3 posted on 11/15/2017 12:52:45 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I’ve only voted “for” a candidate once in my life: Reagan in 1980. I’d not vote for Moore, but I’d certainly vote against the guy he’s running against, which means I’d vote “for” Moore.

BTW, you’ll notice I did not include 1984 in my first comment...


4 posted on 11/15/2017 12:54:39 PM PST by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

It’s time for more revelations of the swampsters.


5 posted on 11/15/2017 12:55:54 PM PST by Maudeen (There is no such thing as a casual Christian.)
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To: robroys woman
I voted for Mr. Trump. Are you saying you didn't?
6 posted on 11/15/2017 12:56:50 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

If Moore is innocent and this is a well-times Swamp slime attack, I support Judge Moore.

If Moore is guilty and the Senate will remove him on the day he arrives, based on the overwhelming evidence that will be released just after the election (huh?), I support Judge Moore. Taking a re-do on the special election is far, far better than putting a democrat in that seat, no matter how much McCain, McConnell, and Graham would prefer to have a fellow insider.


7 posted on 11/15/2017 12:56:58 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Responsibility2nd

If you can get married at 14 in Alabama I don’t even see the big deal.


8 posted on 11/15/2017 12:57:26 PM PST by Harpotoo
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To: Responsibility2nd
I'd vote for him too.

Even if the allegations are true, it seems to me that he has gotten his act together. He talks the talk and walks the walk. He will do the right thing for the people of Alabama and for the rest of the country.

9 posted on 11/15/2017 12:57:32 PM PST by Family Guy (A society's first line of defense is not the law but customs, traditions and moral values. -Williams)
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To: Responsibility2nd

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/930205088299257859/photo/1

Click on the closeup on the signature. They didn’t even try to match the color of the ink!


10 posted on 11/15/2017 12:58:28 PM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Brave and honest!
Kudos


12 posted on 11/15/2017 12:58:41 PM PST by Guenevere
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To: Responsibility2nd
I won't even go there because I believe this entire thing to be cooked up by Bill Kristol and company.
13 posted on 11/15/2017 12:59:23 PM PST by Sam Gamgee
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To: BruinX66

You’re the one with the bizarre thinking. You pretty much stated and convinced he IS a pedo.


14 posted on 11/15/2017 12:59:41 PM PST by beergarden
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To: robroys woman

Excellent point.

I also also have voted “for” very few candidates.


15 posted on 11/15/2017 1:00:08 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

I would vote for him because I refuse to continue to hold ourselves to standards that leftists designate for us only. The only hope we have of improving the minimum standard of acceptable behavior is by rejecting their standards for us and holding ourselves to their gutter standards.

That said, I hope we get to the bottom of this after the election and replace him with another Republican if the situation calls for it. If he is expelled, we must insist that they expell pedo Menendez too. What I need do know is that it makes zero sense to elect a Democrat who will vote for planned Parenthood funding, tranny bathrooms, etc for 4 years because of this guy’s moral failings 40 years ago.


16 posted on 11/15/2017 1:01:37 PM PST by MountainWalker
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To: BruinX66

Your ignorance pisses me off.

As you leave the thread in your ignorance and foolishness - take a moment and learn what a “pedo” is.


17 posted on 11/15/2017 1:03:34 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd
I DO live in Alabama, and I agree with your points.

I will vote for him EVEN IF he is "guilty" (of something that probably wasn't a big deal anyway but is being overblown by the media vultures).

I still think "not guilty" though.

18 posted on 11/15/2017 1:03:46 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Trump won; we got Gorsuch and a bit of MAGA. Likely have a civil war before we get more.)
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To: Chickensoup

Yep, Alinsky #4. I recognized that as soon as the allegation came out. “Know thy enemy” Sun Tzu


19 posted on 11/15/2017 1:04:46 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Trump won; we got Gorsuch and a bit of MAGA. Likely have a civil war before we get more.)
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To: central_va

I voted for Mr. Trump. Are you saying you didn’t?


He** no!

I was one of those saying, after election day, “the good news is that hillary lost. The bad news is that trump won.”

That being said, I’m very pleasantly surprised by much of the fallout and what he has done. And his causing the insanity on the left and in the GOPe is a serious guilty pleasure of mine.


20 posted on 11/15/2017 1:05:34 PM PST by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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