And it can always get worse...
Posted on 11/11/2017 2:33:20 PM PST by Morgana
And it can always get worse...
The other day the bomb squad was called out for a suspicious package found near a construction site. All of the emergency folks were down there. A perimeter was set up. People were evacuated. Places of business were shut down.
In the end it was someone’s lunch that had been left in a small lunch box/cooler for three months. The milk had actually exploded a bottle when it was moved—hence the “bomb scare.”
The city probably spent $10k to cry over spilt milk.
Move those goalposts - you asked "What would the village elders do about this?" and I told you.
Kill socialism completely then let's talk about doing anything you want with your body despite it's harm to society.
Blather about "harms to society" is collectivism - and collectivism is the foundation of socialism.
I thought you understood that "village elders" was a metaphor for "the government" and the "village" was our society?
Well, it is.
So when discussing the metaphorical village and it's problems, we are free to extrapolate onto the society in reality. For the purposes of this conversation.
Also, there are no goalposts in the village. Football has not been invented in this parallel universe.
Blather about "harms to society" is collectivism - and collectivism is the foundation of socialism.
It's only blather if you live in a cave by yourself. "Harms to society" can be said in the context of any group of people living together, from the Swiss Family Robinson on up.
Any group of people living together can be called a "collective" or a "society" without the communist inference. It's how that "collective" manages its affairs that makes it either "socialistm" "communist," or "free at some level."
No society's individuals are one hundred percent free to do what they choose.
Beware of letting your politics infect all aspects of yhour rational thought. Next thing you know you'll think yourself into believing it's okay to smoke the ganja.
:)
That was a bad drug.
I thought you understood that "village elders" was a metaphor for "the government" and the "village" was our society?
Our society is "a small tribe of people" (your words)?
doing anything you want with your body despite it's harm to society.
Blather about "harms to society" is collectivism - and collectivism is the foundation of socialism.
Any group of people living together can be called a "collective" or a "society" without the communist inference. It's how that "collective" manages its affairs that makes it either "socialistm" "communist," or "free at some level."
Restricting individual liberties on the basis of "harms to society" rather than violations of one or more individuals' rights is collectivism.
No society's individuals are one hundred percent free to do what they choose.
Straw man - a free society's individuals are one hundred percent free to do anything that violates no other individual's rights.
People render themselves useless with alcohol and extreme obesity - so is it the conservative position to ban alcohol and regulate adults' calorie intake and exercise?
Using the metaphor of "the tribe" or the "small village" makes it easier for me to come to basic truths like the one we are discussing. I recommended that you think of it as a metaphor for the larger society. And hey! You said, "our society." Isn't that collectivism according to your theory?
Blather about "harms to society" is collectivism - and collectivism is the foundation of socialism.
Okay, look at it like this. Drug abuse harms ME, the individual. If you must look at it from a political labeling perspective. Every time they steal, they raise the price of goods. Every penny spent of my tax dollars hurts me. That money could remain with me or be spent for productive things. Really, drug abuse hurts ME in myriad ways. Don't you feel bad now that the "harm to society" has a face?
Restricting individual liberties on the basis of "harms to society" rather than violations of one or more individuals' rights is collectivism.
See above.
No society's individuals are one hundred percent free to do what they choose.
Straw man - a free society's individuals are one hundred percent free to do anything that violates no other individual's rights.
How do you figure? This is the basic fundamental argument of you people. You feel that people have the right to do to themselves what they choose unless it harms others. I contend that it does harm others. Indivudual others, and not just "society." After all, society is not just a pretty word, it is a collection of individuals.
So, like I said, no society's individuals are a hundred percent to do as they choose. That is a real man, man.
I don't speak for conservatives. I am a man without a label. I am singular.
Alcohol is just as destructive as drugs. I allow alcohol as an accepted hypocrisy and a traditional part of the human condition since the dawn of time. I will not add more straws to the camels back by allowing you to abuse drugs.
Fat people are a scourge and should be put in concentration camps and fed bread and water until they conform with body norms.
Really? Talk about straw men. Leave the fatties out of this. They got enough to worry about.
a free society's individuals are one hundred percent free to do anything that violates no other individual's rights.
How do you figure? This is the basic fundamental argument of you people. You feel that people have the right to do to themselves what they choose unless it harms others. I contend that it does harm others. Indivudual others
Not every "harm" is a violation of rights. Sellers may raise the prices of their goods for any reason they choose, or no reason at all, and they or those who so motivate them don't violate any right you have. Taxation beyond that required for the legitimate purposes of government violates your rights - but that's government doing the violating, not the parties to whom government gives the money - they're simply availing themselves of a legal opportunity, as President Trump said of Chinese trade policy toward the USA.
People render themselves useless with alcohol and extreme obesity - so is it the conservative position to ban alcohol and regulate adults' calorie intake and exercise?
Alcohol is just as destructive as drugs.
I'm pleased to see you say so - many supporters of drug prohibition tapdance frantically around that obvious point.
I allow alcohol as an accepted hypocrisy
That's a difference between us - I don't support hypocrisy in public policy.
and a traditional part of the human condition since the dawn of time.
Marijuana use goes back thousands of years, BTW - and was grwing in popularity in the USA at the end of the 1800s.
Fat people are a scourge and should be put in concentration camps and fed bread and water until they conform with body norms.
Really? Talk about straw men.
No straw man - unless you care to dispute that people have rendered themselves useless and in need of government support with extreme obesity.
Leave the fatties out of this. They got enough to worry about.
Whereas drug abusers have nothing to worry about?
>> “Alien Nation”.
>>That was a bad drug.
Salt Water + Bug Sprayer.
There. Fixed it.
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