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Physicists find we’re not living in a computer simulation
Cosmos Magazine ^ | October 2, 2017 | Andrew Masterson

Posted on 10/04/2017 5:12:54 AM PDT by C19fan

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To: semantic

>>All failures

Predictably Profitable failures.

What is the natural mechanism described in Romans Chapter 1?

“Because of this, God gave them over”

Because of what?
Gave them over to what?

Imagine a natural response to limit reproductive/socio-biological fitness in the context of social stress.

Social stress manufactured when a culture doesn’t RTFM (Read The Field Manual) for healthy living... and worships its technocratic work-product instead of the Creator of the universe - abominating His Natural Law in the process.

Hmmm.


41 posted on 10/04/2017 8:25:14 AM PDT by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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To: C19fan
...life and reality cannot be merely simulations generated by a massive extraterrestrial computer.

That's just the sort of thing a simulated life form would say.

Some people seem offended by the concept, thinking it subverts the idea of God. What was the original simulation idea, a projection based on a black hole? That's just the sort of elegant solution God would use.

As someone mentioned, the enormous spaces between atoms mean we are mostly nothing anyway; prop house balloons inflated by energy.

42 posted on 10/04/2017 8:34:46 AM PDT by Rinnwald
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To: dangerdoc
A parallel theory to the hologram is that we actually exist in a physical world, yet one that is circumscribed by externalities.

To expand, if life isn't rare, but common, then this would suggest billions of potential civilizations spread throughout the universe(s). Depending on the progression curve (sum total of knowledge & understanding doubles every two years - referenced by Moore to describe a narrow engineering sector), we would expect a wide distribution between different population technological characteristics.

Since it would be highly unlikely - although not impossible - that humans would achieve a level of interstellar travel first, then we can then logically assume that some other race has already achieved that ability. So then, the question becomes: would they guide/interfere or simply observe?

If the predisposition to evaluate something new as either 'friend or foe' is universal across all life forms, then observation & evaluation would be a natural course of action. At some point, as humans first discover, and then refine the ability to transmit cognitive brain functions as simple light waves (ie virtual computer), then we'd be recognized as a race reaching the stage of joining other interstellar travelers.

At that point, perhaps there would be some kind of intervention, almost like a parent sitting down a child to explain the rules. Because of course there are going to be Loki types running around, interfering and upsetting regional populations with exposure, resulting in such beliefs as spaghetti and other god-like figures.

43 posted on 10/04/2017 8:35:06 AM PDT by semantic
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To: HLPhat
If you're a devout atheist like me, those kinds of attempts at social engineering make partial sense. That is, if humans are no different than any other species, then logic would suggest they can be guided & governed according to long standing principles of animal husbandry.

But this is where the social engineers get it wrong - they miscalculated when intelligence is introduced into the equation. If intelligence is present, then given the fundamental doubling power of knowledge (standard exponential function), science will always outpace culture.

It doesn't matter if they were to achieve power via the social stresses you reference from Romans (as an aside, the Romans did have human organization & control systems already figured out, hence the name of the chapters). The dual path of genetic (re)engineering and light/energy pulse systems (aka 'computers') would still naturally converge, rendering all their efforts useless.

If you see what is occurring, and are engaged at some level, then you begin to understand the futility of the ants racing around the ant farm.

44 posted on 10/04/2017 8:51:02 AM PDT by semantic
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To: semantic
>>media & education in an attempt to change society & politics.

Ever notice how that seems to work?

It's like indoctrinated robots regurgitating the same notes, from the same charts -- week after week, year after year, without being able to improvise... and calling it "Jazz".

45 posted on 10/04/2017 9:00:13 AM PDT by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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To: C19fan
Speak for yourself, Einstein.

Some of us are happy living in the computer simulation.

46 posted on 10/04/2017 9:02:56 AM PDT by x
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To: null and void
"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"
47 posted on 10/04/2017 9:08:26 AM PDT by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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To: semantic

>>naturally converge

Aka Tranhumanism / Postgenderism.

There is nothing new under the Aten.

Mistah Kurzweil, he dead!


48 posted on 10/04/2017 9:11:50 AM PDT by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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To: stylin19a

>>running Windows ME

I think, therefore I am not a blue screen.


49 posted on 10/04/2017 9:12:57 AM PDT by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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To: semantic
>>then you begin to understand the futility of the ants racing around the ant farm.

Couple of years ago I noticed some ants raiding one of my bee hives.

Here's one of the marauders caught in the act of dragging off one of the larvae from the hive (which didn't survive):

So I scooped up a couple of the ants and put them in a petrify-dish for my daughter to study under her microscope.

I injured one of the ants in the process.

What I subsequently observed surprised me:  the uninjured ant kept tending the injured one, caressing its antennas, moving here and there apparently trying to coax the dying sister into movement.  This went on for hours.  Ended up feeling so guilty I couldn't watch any more and took them back outside to release for nature to take its course.

Ant Empathy.

Ant Anthropomorphism? Maybe - but it made me think humans could learn a thing or two from studying the interaction of social insects.

Human culture has become desensitized - and THAT was engineered just as surely as its demoralization.

What phase are we in?

[Yuri Bezmenov: Psychological Warfare Subversion and Control of Western Society (Complete)]

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3591491/posts

Hmmm. 200. Years. Together.

What does this mean.


50 posted on 10/04/2017 9:34:00 AM PDT by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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To: HLPhat
Both my wife & I have family members who are religiously devout (mother went to Bob Jones, sister is a missionary). But we are separated from them by a (very) small variance associated with belief/faith that manifests across a wider spectrum.

It's obviously a genetic pre-disposition, which then raises an interesting point. OK, so here's the 64k question: when the "belief gene" is finally found/isolated, will the scientists who make the discovery:

(a) apply genetic correction to themselves in order to convert to belief, thereby joining the 'blue-pill' masses; or
(b) will governments enact policies aimed at mass vaccination, thereby causing a broad cross section of join the 'red-pill' club?

Frankly, I think 'a' might be a viable choice. You never know, especially when the endorphin and other associated positive faith driven feedback mechanisms are incorporated. Besides, I don't think a large population of people could be managed if they could only rely upon logic. They might adopt hedonism and simply ride out their time.

Religion & belief are evolutionary constructs; they are critical to the function and stability of all societies since the dawn of pre-history. I'm not sure we could even really exist without a foundation of belief & faith.

51 posted on 10/04/2017 9:41:09 AM PDT by semantic
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To: semantic
(a) apply genetic correction to themselves in order to convert to belief, thereby joining the 'blue-pill' masses; or
(b) will governments enact policies aimed at mass vaccination, thereby causing a broad cross section of join the 'red-pill' club?

C. ESTABLISH THE LAW FOR EDUCATING THE COMMON PEOPLE, THIS IT IS THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE TO EFFECT AND ON A GENERAL PLAN


"...who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time;
 
...
 
 that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order; and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them. "
 
"I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN"
--The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
--Thomas Jefferson, 1786
 
"AND THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE"

52 posted on 10/04/2017 9:45:29 AM PDT by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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To: stylin19a
If the computer was running Windows ME that would explain a great deal.

I have used almost every operating system and that was the only one that awoke in me the desire to hunt down the coder and force them to use that system... forever.

53 posted on 10/04/2017 10:08:29 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Not a Romantic, not a hero worshiper and stop trying to tug my heartstrings. It tickles! (pink bow))
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To: semantic

Civilizations with the capacity to travel interstellar distances should be detectable to us, even hundreds of light years away. They are not. This is a paradox because the odds say we should.


54 posted on 10/04/2017 11:07:03 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: dangerdoc

To finish my thought.

One of the reasons some theorists believe that we are more likely to be in a simulation is because we are not detecting other civilizations.


55 posted on 10/04/2017 11:08:23 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: HLPhat
Somewhat off topic, but I'm beginning to believe the environmental conditions that allowed for the development of the philosophy that Jefferson espoused might have only been present for a unique moment in time.

That is, all eco-systems by definition exist in a state of scarcity. This is what forces competition & adaption, and allows generational mutations to determine ('guide') successful traits & characteristics. However, just like drugs & alcohol short-circuit endorphin reward feedback mechanisms, the discovery of the New world upset millenia old social control systems.

With the explosion of abundance, (Western) man, for the first time in history, could truly be independent. Even more incredible, he was equipped with important technology (the gun) that allowed him to not only operate freely against potential opposition, but to also acquire more than sufficient foodstuffs to support large(r) families.

However, just as drug addicts engage in fanciful thinking and engage in visions of grandeur, the realization of this moment as perceived by Jefferson was one of belief that it represented a new, true potential state of man.

When Darwin used the term 'fit', he didn't mean to imply subjective terms like stronger, better, smarter, faster, etc. Rather, all he meant was the best set of attributes given the current state of the environment. In this regard, while Western man was certainly the most fit during an era of surplus, perhaps he doesn't represent the best set of characteristics in times of scarcity.

This is what I think the elites realize, and is the driving reason behind the population substitution programs taking place in N America & Europe. With genetic programming and advanced tracking and surveillance, a scientific security state can be crafted to organize and delegate roles.

Religion in this kind of environment would be heavily promoted for the masses as a powerful control mechanism. With a nod to history, it wouldn't really be any different than how the Roman elite seamlessly transitioned to the church as secular taxation and regional security programs disintegrated. With tithing and the threat of excommunication, the roll-up wealth effect could be more easily maintained with a minimum of overhead and effort.

I have to hand it to those who invent and breath into life religious forms, whether it's a violent manifesto like Mohammed, a sex pervert like Joseph Smith, or just a guy looking to make a little cash like L Ron Hubbard. The fist time I saw St Pauls, I was struck by the sheer genius of those who nurtured into being such a magnificent, all encompassing control system.

If only there was a time machine where I could share a beer with the originators, and exclaim and praise them as "you magnificent bastards!".

56 posted on 10/04/2017 11:31:34 AM PDT by semantic
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To: semantic
>>Even more incredible, he was equipped with important technology (the gun) that allowed him to...

"Zap em wit yer siren man.
Zap em wit yer siren!
They love that."

--The Photo Journalist



https://public.wsu.edu/~campbelld/engl372/kipling_man_who_would_be_king.pdf


 

Êzidî - Fire in the Mind of Men


"So saying, the Angel Peacock, Melek Taus as we call him, spread his wings and flew away over the inaccessible mountain-tops. That is why we Yezidi, the descendants of that compassionate shepherd, sing hymns to appease and glorify the Spirit of Evil to this very day. Our hymns are scorned by the rest of the world. Both Christians and Muslims alike hate and persecute us. They call us 'Muraddun'-- Infidels and Devil-Worshippers. Our priests, Qawasls, travel secretly and do not wear priestly robes. They carry with them, hidden away from Muslim and Christian eyes, the effigy of a peacock. When we pray, we do not turn towards Mecca like the Muslims but towards the Polar Star, the immovable source of light in darkness, the point of the axis round which the whole universe resolves."
http://www.songsouponsea.com/Promenade/Tale.html

 
57 posted on 10/04/2017 11:44:31 AM PDT by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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To: dangerdoc
The only way to travel between stars is as light. And this is only possible once a civilization has transitioned from organic to inorganic intelligence. That is, the electro-chemical pulses that represent consciousness & thought in our brain. (actually, just a small portion located in the prefrontal cortex; about 1.5lbs of organic matter) are reproduced as light waves.

Now, this also poses another interesting question: can a life form still locked into a more primitive state of organic intelligence detect others which have transitioned to an inorganic state?

This is a really loaded question if you consider the wider ramifications. For instance, perhaps there are billions (trillions?) of emergent lifeforms scattered throughout the universe, but only a small percentage reach any level of self-awareness/intelligence. Once on this path, however, perhaps it is inevitable due to the exponential nature of awareness (ie the doubling of knowledge every two years) that they all eventually reach a point of maturity where the transition occurs.

So, unless we are/were first (highly unlikely), then it's perhaps reasonable to conclude and/or logical to assume there are many other beings already present. And if that's the case, then we would merely be in an observational state, awaiting our long expected admission to the ranks.

58 posted on 10/04/2017 11:45:22 AM PDT by semantic
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To: slimjim12

Of course I read the article.

How do they know a machine possibly millions of years more advanced would be limited by physical matter (atoms)?

Just like if you asked an engineer in 1900 if you can reach London in 3 hours, he would assume you must travel on the water and laugh at you. He could not fathom a flying machine that could take you to London during dinner.

People in 1900 could not imagine manmade objects could achieve orbit like the moon and stars. Or that someone could walk on the moon.

Space flight was achieved ~60 years ago and true powered machines of any kind only came to be ~250 years ago (steam powered pumps). Now imagine a race that had 1 million years to tinker with machines! We simply can’t...


59 posted on 10/04/2017 1:02:31 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

You hit one of the reasons the announcement is logical bunk. They are making assumptions on the likelihood of external manipulations of the universe based on internal rules of the universe. It’s like me saying hammers longer than 16 inches can’t exist, because otherwise they would not fit in my toolbox.


60 posted on 10/04/2017 1:27:41 PM PDT by Rinnwald
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