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GAME OF THRONES S07E04 DISCUSSION THREAD
jonno

Posted on 08/08/2017 10:50:32 AM PDT by jonno

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To: calljack

I watched it the other day. The episode was leaked. The last 10 minutes were epic.....and I’m not a big fan.


101 posted on 08/08/2017 10:00:53 PM PDT by sheana
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To: calljack
The ones that got torched were the “stragglers” the main force had already delivered the gold to the castle.

I normally watch each episode twice to pick up details I missed. This is one of those details. Is there dialog in the episode to show this? The only part I remember about gold is when Jamie gave a sack of it to Bronn and Cersi telling the man from the Iron Bank that it was on its way.

102 posted on 08/08/2017 11:20:51 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: jonno; KC_Lion

Great battle!

I knew there was no chance but I was rooting so hard for Jamie to skewer her.


103 posted on 08/08/2017 11:21:01 PM PDT by Impy (Anyone who votes to raise taxes deserves to get rabies.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

I did a search of the different recaps and found the answer. Now I’ll watch it again.


104 posted on 08/08/2017 11:24:12 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Casterly Rock is so epic in the books, I knew the show version wouldn’t measure up but still...it was just an average castle on a hill.


105 posted on 08/08/2017 11:38:08 PM PDT by Impy (Anyone who votes to raise taxes deserves to get rabies.)
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To: jonno

I hope we see Meera Reed again, a shame she was still wearing that filthy burlap sack looking thing instead of something more comely.


106 posted on 08/08/2017 11:40:17 PM PDT by Impy (Anyone who votes to raise taxes deserves to get rabies.)
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To: LibertarianLiz

One thing I’ve been thinking about. Daenery’s has an army of foreigners. Westeros largely operated as a Euro-Centric culture. She’s invited the rapists right into the continent, a continent that’s been largely homogeneous for centuries.

I’m not sure if hatred of Cersei will trump fighting alongside people who don’t fight with any sense of honor (slicing the horse’s leg).


107 posted on 08/09/2017 12:17:04 AM PDT by techworker
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

They would have a BUNCH of scorpion bows deployed at Kings Landing.


108 posted on 08/09/2017 12:48:54 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: LibertarianLiz

I’m voting for Tyrion to get the Iron Throne, as the only one of the bunch who is moral enough and psychologically stable enough to make a decent ruler, long term. Jon Snow would also qualify, but I don’t think he would want it.


109 posted on 08/09/2017 1:00:38 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: techworker

Given a choice between Cercei (who is ruthless towards enemies, but has little interest in doing bad things to the little people) and somebody letting in a barbarian army, I would favor Cercei.


110 posted on 08/09/2017 1:08:27 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: SauronOfMordor
They would have a BUNCH of scorpion bows deployed at Kings Landing.

That sort of goes to another thing I noticed.

How did Euron get so many ships built in such a short time? It would take years to build that many ships. Even when the British Empire was at its height, getting a warship "ship shape in Bristol fashion" would take a long time.

But Euron Greyjoy shows up with hundreds of top line warships. And building those Scorpion arrow platforms takes time.

111 posted on 08/09/2017 6:33:09 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts ("Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment." - Will Rogers)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
But Euron Greyjoy shows up with hundreds of top line warships. And building those Scorpion arrow platforms takes time.

Yes. Where did Euron get all the lumber? Sailing ships need iron fittings for mast stays and pulleys -- that would keep blacksmiths busy for a while. You also need lots of sail cloth, which in pre-industrial time took a while to produce. I suppose he could have gotten help from Cercei on that, but she was broke at the time.

Those scorpion arrow platforms take many man-days per platform, but I guess you could throw men at the project and start an assembly line. Building a hundred scorpions is not as big a project as building a hundred ships.

112 posted on 08/09/2017 6:40:29 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
The 18th century HMS Victory took seven years to build:
As fate would have it in 1758, the same year of Lord Nelson's birth the Board of Admiralty ordered twelve new ships of the line, among them a 'first-rate' ship with 100 guns, to be named Victory. HMS Victory is a first-rate warship with four masts built to be a floating gun platform with 100 cannon of different calibers arranged on three decks. She took seven years to build at a cost is today's money of 50 million English pounds, designed by Thomas Slade of the Royal Navy and laid down in Chatham Dockyard, England. Sir John Lindsay, Victory's first Captain, took command In March 1778. On May 8, 1778, she set sail for sea duty for the first time exactly 13 years and a day, 4,746 days from the time of her launching. Her active service life began on Friday June 13 when she sailed from Spithead as the Flagship of the Channel Fleet and first cleared her decks for action on the July 23, 1778.

A story in itself is the construction of the Victory. The 18th century shipwrights had only simple gear and tools and the difficulty of moving enormous timbers from where they were felled to the dockyard in Chatham. This extensive skilled workforce of about 250 men were required to accomplish the work. The shipwrights needed a hundred acres of oak forest, about 6,000 selected mature oak trees found in the weald forest of Kent and Sussex in England. The balance of the timber needed was fir, elm, and pine and was cut and stored knowing the wood required seasoning or drying for many years.

So you can't just build ships with fresh-cut wood. It needs to dry and season first. Unless they had massive stockpiles of seasoned wood, they would have had a problem.
113 posted on 08/09/2017 6:51:22 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big governent is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: techworker

I see a similarity of Kings Landing to America. The Dothraki are middle easterner muslims. The North might be Europe and the UK. The South might be the Hispanic and black countries with possibly some Asian influence.


114 posted on 08/09/2017 7:26:04 AM PDT by Boomer (Have RINO republican pols been radicalized somehow?)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

I believe the guy who wanted to flog the stragglers was talking to Jamie and said the gold is delivered and we have the stragglers here to deal with.


115 posted on 08/09/2017 9:47:45 AM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Ok, so the show has dragons, walking dead people, a kid who can time travel and remote view anything anywhere, but building ships with unseasoned wood, that’s where you draw the line? Just kidding, I think everybody had a problem with how fast those ships just appeared. And you would need a few thousand crew to go with it, and they just sailed away.


116 posted on 08/09/2017 9:53:36 AM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: jimmygrace
I would like to see Bronn take some shock troops to the dungeons to rescue his beloved from Dorne (and her mom)

Isn't that chick dead with mom watching her decompose?

117 posted on 08/11/2017 5:13:14 AM PDT by hattend
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Insert a "Brrrrrrrrrrrt" sound and we have a medieval A-10 on the "Highway of Death"

118 posted on 08/11/2017 5:19:10 AM PDT by hattend
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