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To: lee martell

Doctors never had the right to prevent people from marrying. Blood tests were done to ensure that neither of the couple to be wed had untreated venereal disease. Women should see a gynecologist before marrying but this is not a requirement, just a good idea. The state cannot forbid anyone from getting married (unless they are close relatives) or prevent a couple from having children. However, the state has the right to remove children from a bad environment. And it certainly would be very bad for children to grow up in an environment where both parents are profoundly limited intellectually. Parents do not own their children and there are limits on parental rights. Please rethink this, this is not fascist, dictatorial, or totalitarian. What has been done here is what a responsible society needs to do. Of course, the feelings of the parents must be considered, of course the parents should be involved as much as they are able but they are NOT able to properly raise children, they cannot give them the intellectual stimulation they need from birth, or provide the kind of supervision and counsel they will need as they grown up.


10 posted on 08/07/2017 10:41:42 PM PDT by erkelly
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To: erkelly
The parents seem to have limited contact with the kids. That is bad. If they had Inhome assistance, that might help, but the way this is being handled by thOregon State Bureaucrats is fascist.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hZWn0zL0LHc
14 posted on 08/07/2017 10:55:30 PM PDT by BigEdLB (To Dimwitocrats: We won. You lost. Get used to it.)
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To: erkelly

I agree with your statements.
I wish that CPS could have first offered parental assistance,
someone coming by X # of times a day for the first few months of child’s life, changing to X# of times a month as the baby got bigger. Maybe such help was rejected by the parents. That we haven’t been told.


18 posted on 08/07/2017 11:11:14 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: erkelly

Ewwwwwww.


27 posted on 08/08/2017 3:45:51 AM PDT by dasboot (Nuanced foreign relations is the germ of international misunderstanding.)
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