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It turns out the iPad was just too expensive after all
ZDNet ^ | August 2, 2017 | By Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Posted on 08/02/2017 12:40:44 PM PDT by Swordmaker

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To: murron

Update on the 7” Amazon Kindle Fire battery life. One reviewer claims that with a software update he found he could get over 9 hours of use out of it. Not too shabby. He did not say what brightness settings or what use he was putting it to get that battery time.


61 posted on 08/02/2017 5:56:42 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: big'ol_freeper
The problem with the iPad over the years is that it is too good. I have an iPad 3 that there is no reason for me to replace.

That is a real problem. Phones are also subsidized in purchase by the carriers, at least in offering a credit system to spread the purchase out over time. Tablets of any kind must offer some really compelling reason for upgrading or they are not going to be upgraded. The iPad IS a very good product in almost all of its versions and keeps on trucking. Even if it breaks in a fall, it's easy and economical to repair rather than replace. Apple's superb design is it's curse.

62 posted on 08/02/2017 5:59:49 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker

For most people the only real use case for a tablet is media consumption... And if that’s your reason for a device a cheap tablet does it just as good as an expensive one....

The problem with the iPad is the same problem with all tablets... There isn’t much of an argument for them... And if a cheap one does the main job as well as an expensive one folks will buy the cheap one more often than not


63 posted on 08/02/2017 6:05:13 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

Tablets are most useful when you have a job in the field. For personal use, I’d just rather use a phone or my laptop.


64 posted on 08/02/2017 6:06:54 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Phones are “good enough.”


Yes, and the iPad is only a glorified, oversized phone...:^)

Try erasing old email on it - you can't even select multiple old emails to delete. It's one at a time or all!

65 posted on 08/02/2017 7:24:35 PM PDT by az_gila
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To: Inyo-Mono

My cousin likes hers. She also uses a Mac pc.
She had to use the Microsoft Surface Pro in her painting class last year and felt lost. She can use regular drawing and painting tools and paint portraits and landscapes and is real good at it.


66 posted on 08/02/2017 8:24:28 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Swordmaker

I have the 7 inch Kindle Fire and run the brightness at full strength and the battery seems to last pretty good.


67 posted on 08/02/2017 9:53:30 PM PDT by murron
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To: big'ol_freeper
The problem with the iPad over the years is that it is too good. I have an iPad 3 that there is no reason for me to replace.
I have an iPad 2 and I actually got it "for myself” for Christmas in hopes that DW would be less inclined to want to use my iMac when I was wanting to Freep. And that was successful, for years.

Then DW began complaining that downloads were slow, so I took it to an Apple Store in hopes of being able to get it running faster. The “genius” cleaned up the software briefly, recommended routine use of the ON/OFF switch rather than just letting the thing sleep all the time, and handed it back to me.

I took it over to the display of iPad Pros - the big ones were still the latest - and ran a comparison. Unsurprisingly, the new Pro was much faster than the old iPad. I hefted the two of them, and could not detect whatever difference in weight might have existed between them, even tho the Pro’s screen was twice the size of the old model. The upshot is that I was happy to fork over the price of an iPad Pro for my wife.

She’s been pleased; not too long after I got it, she asked me if I knew where it was, and I told her “no, but the old one’s right over here” - and she ignored the suggestion altogether.

However she does notice the old model had better battery life.
Hey, a lot of the weight of the old model is battery . . .


68 posted on 08/03/2017 6:26:41 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (A press can be 'associated,' or a press can be independent. Demand independent presses.)
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To: dfwgator

Es there are some limited use cases for them but for the average person the only real use case is media consumption.

When the only mainstream use case for the item is this, there is little justification for a premium brand there. Eventually the public figures out there is only one use case and the cheap guys do it just as well as the expensive guys.

Ergo, tablets are niche market items when it comes to justifying a premium brand for it.


69 posted on 08/03/2017 6:45:42 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: TexasGator
$1200!!!!!!!!!!! Really?

I think when people willfully lie on FreeRepublic they should be banned for life.

The absolute most expensive iPhone 7 Plus with 256GB of memory is $969. A regular iPhone 7 with 32GB of memory is $699.

Just for comparison a Samsung Galaxy S8 with 64GB of memory is between $929 and $999 from various vendors.

70 posted on 08/03/2017 12:13:20 PM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: Swordmaker

The only negative I see on all Apple products is the initial upfront cost.

After that it’s a good experience.

I have my iPad Air for 4 years now. It’s been great and I have no complaints. It still runs like a champ.

I’m still on my iPhone 6 too. Runs like a champ.


71 posted on 08/03/2017 1:27:23 PM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

I uploaded my downloaded musician the web and CDs to iTunes. They fixed it up nicely and put the album covers on everything. I did that a while back with no issue.

The iPad too has come a long way since the iPad 2. You may want to give it another try now. I don’t think you will be disappointed.


72 posted on 08/03/2017 1:32:16 PM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: TexasGator

Did you even read the article? The entire article tried desperately to make a case for the iPad dying - while offering up numbers that did everything BUT make that case - as Swordmaker indicated - every indicator is that iPad sales are back on the rise - with a 15% increase over same quarter sales.

And Apple stock closed at an all-time high this week...

Apple must by dying (again)...(/sarcasm off)


73 posted on 08/03/2017 10:55:16 PM PDT by TheBattman (Gun control works - just ask Chicago...)
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To: az_gila

Odd - I batch erase emails all the time on my iPad (and my iPhone). Quite simple to do, if one wants to.


74 posted on 08/03/2017 10:57:36 PM PDT by TheBattman (Gun control works - just ask Chicago...)
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To: HamiltonJay
For most people the only real use case for a tablet is media consumption... And if that’s your reason for a device a cheap tablet does it just as good as an expensive one....

Interesting - as I find myself leaving the laptop in the laptop bag more and more for my now somewhat aged iPad Air 2. I can do MOST mobile stuff I need to do, all with access to the files I use most often (iCloud and dropbox). I have a case with a wireless keyboard too, but I don't even tote it around so much any more - though if I had to be away from my MacBook Pro for an extended time, and would need to do more intensive work on the iPad - I would use that case. I use to feel somewhat like you posted - thinking a tablet was primarily good for media consumption - games, movies, etc. Boy was I wrong.

75 posted on 08/03/2017 11:00:52 PM PDT by TheBattman (Gun control works - just ask Chicago...)
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I bout an iPad 2 air when then came out with a case and wireless keyboard with the full intent of using it for work.... Tried to integrate it into my work day for 2 months. It sits there only being used once in a blue moon...

Biggest waste of money I’ve ever spent work related, and not for lack of trying.

I know there are situations and use cases for the tablets but for the overwhelming majority of folks, it’s only use case is media cumsumption, so there is little argument to justify spending a lot on one, if owning one at all.


76 posted on 08/04/2017 4:23:44 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: TheBattman
Odd - I batch erase emails all the time on my iPad (and my iPhone). Quite simple to do, if one wants to.


With 5000+ emails stored from over several years I have not found an easy way of deleting all emails over 6 months old as an example.

I use the iPad mainly for an aviation application and for email on a trip. When it's switched on after a period of no use I have to wait while it catches up on the missing month or so of email, with no good junk mail filter like my PC at home.

77 posted on 08/04/2017 7:35:56 AM PDT by az_gila
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To: HamiltonJay

That’s the funny thing about having a pragmatic view of the world around us - our perception of the entire world is filtered through our own experiences.

I too use to think the tablet format (especially a pricy iPad or now several other $$$ tablets) would never be a truly “legit” work device. But after seeing many of my fellow ministers using them, often regularly leaving the laptop at home/office, and talking to folks from a wide swath who were moving that direction, I finally decided to try it - knowing that the risk was a high dollar “media device” as you put it.

It has taken a while - but I do a significant amount of work directly on/with my iPad, and use it for speaking/preaching several times a week. It also has served well for a study and research tool. I further know I don’t even scratch the surface of what CAN be done with it - as I have many friends who use their iPads in amazing ways... all well beyond my time to invest in learning.

Yes, for a lot of people - the iPad is nothing but a glorified, expensive media device. For general use - there are many devices that will get that job done, some quite well at a lower cost.

But when you get into those who really use such a device - you are very limited as to which ones can actually do WORK - at that leaves iPads and Surface tablets. Either will cost a pretty $. But if one does work that can be done with such a device - not toting a laptop or being anchored to a desktop is a great help.

Here in an area of our state with the biggest University (and the flagship of the system) - I see students all the time - and they too are downsizing to either the lighter MacBook Air model, or the iPad/iPad Pro (or other windows-based competitors). The ultra-portability and convenience of having what you need with you all the time is pretty compelling for them.

And seeing them used everywhere from retail, to food service, to the medical and equation realm - I don’t think the concept is going away any time soon.

I’m sorry you didn’t find the iPad to be helpful.


78 posted on 08/04/2017 3:21:36 PM PDT by TheBattman (Gun control works - just ask Chicago...)
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To: az_gila

I just went back and revisited the post I had replied to - you said you either have to erase one email at a time, or all emails - not selecting blocks - in that case, I was correct.

You then changed the argument to filters/spam/and years-old mail. A tablet of any kind probably isn’t the best device to make up for years of poor maintenance of email.


79 posted on 08/04/2017 3:24:46 PM PDT by TheBattman (Gun control works - just ask Chicago...)
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I just went back and revisited the post I had replied to - you said you either have to erase one email at a time, or all emails - not selecting blocks - in that case, I was correct.

You then changed the argument to filters/spam/and years-old mail. A tablet of any kind probably isn’t the best device to make up for years of poor maintenance of email.


OK how do you easily select and delete say a block of 100 emails out of 1000? The only way I could find was scrolling down a list and individually checking a box on each email.

I can't seem to find an equivalent to the PC "Select one, scroll down with the Shift key pressed and hit Return" which will select a large block of stuff.

The spam comment and the automatic update comment was to try and explain why I have so many emails on a back up email reader that I only use occasionally...:^)

80 posted on 08/05/2017 6:21:54 AM PDT by az_gila
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