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To: Heartlander

Evolution is just change. It didn’t begin with living systems. Is hydrogen so complicated that it required intelligence to design it or did it simply evolve from the rules described by quantum field theory and the wave equation? Are stars, galaxies, and planets so complicated that they required intelligence to design and sustain them or did they simply evolve from the rules of gravitation and matter? Are the elements of organic chemistry so complicated they required intelligence to design them or did they evolve from gravitation and the nuclear processes in supernova? Chemical reactions don’t require intelligence to produce complex compounds they just follow the conservation laws and entropy. If all these fundamental evolutionary processes occur naturally why do we then need to inject divine intervention to explain the replicating chemistry of life given the vastness of time?


5 posted on 07/19/2017 10:26:08 AM PDT by Dave Wright
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To: Dave Wright

Is not Evolution an attempt to explain how God works? I never understood why the two concepts are mutually exclusive.


6 posted on 07/19/2017 10:27:31 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Dave Wright
The origin of life (OOL) is just one of the hurdles. What are the odds of all of this occurring as a cosmic accident?

We are left with the question, "Does human consciousness and conscience ultimately come from mindlessness?" and the philosophical ramifications of our response - the worldview that follows...

8 posted on 07/19/2017 10:36:38 AM PDT by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse O'Leary)
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To: Dave Wright

If you want to propose that everything is just emergent phenomena that naturally springs from these rules, you’d still be left with the question of where those rules came from.

Still, you have an additional leap you make with this step:

“If all these fundamental evolutionary processes occur naturally why do we then need to inject divine intervention to explain the replicating chemistry of life given the vastness of time?”

Atoms, molecules, stars, etc, do not contain encoded information storage like self-replicating biological life does. Since your previous examples lack that fundamental element, you also would have to explain where that new element came from. You’re no longer talking about something arranging itself simply because it’s the only arrangement available, or most efficient arrangement possible due to physical laws. Now these things are arranged to fulfill a purpose, and exhibit extraordinary complexity that is unnecessary unless that purpose is intentional. This fact alone destroys the argument that such an arrangement could be the result of blind, unmotivated processes, since such processes can’t arrange with intent or purpose.


20 posted on 07/19/2017 2:12:16 PM PDT by Boogieman
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