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The case for a right to housing
nhi org ^ | 2006 | Hartman

Posted on 04/19/2017 12:14:41 PM PDT by pabianice

Stumbled over this online. Fits right into "social justice."

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The concept and reality of rights is, of course, an evolving drama, one that has played out in our nation's history. The right of slaves to be free of bondage was won via armed struggle and political action that produced amendments to our Constitution. The right of women to vote has a similar, albeit less violent, history. Workers won the right to organize, a right that was codified by federal legislation. The Civil Rights movement produced a set of legal rights that did not previously exist and changed profoundly public culture and practices with regard to race.

Common to this evolution of rights was an appeal to this nation's higher sense of justice, to the fundamental principles of democracy and to the protections embodied in the foundational documents of this country. Also common was political struggle, buttressed by intellectual support.

Entitlements, on the other hand, is a somewhat different, albeit related concept, having more to do with specific programs, such as Social Security, the Earned Income Tax Credit, food stamps, Medicaid/Medicare, school breakfasts and lunches, Supplementary Security Income and, of course, free K-12 public education.

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Several years ago there was a TV miniseries, "Pillars of the Earth." It revolved around the Catholic Church and society in 12th century Europe. What I remember most clearly was the plight of Bob the Builder (before last names were common) and his family's struggle to survive. In one sequence, having lost the patronage of his feudal lord, he is reduced to taking his family into the woods to search for a cave to keep from being killed by the weather during the winter.

The very thought of a time when shelter from the weather was uncertain was frightening. Now, of course, Big Government simply pays to put you somewhere in return for your vote.

1 posted on 04/19/2017 12:14:41 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

This is the slippery slope we’ll end up on if there ever is an Article V Convention.


2 posted on 04/19/2017 12:23:47 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: pabianice

Rein in the tyranny of local Building Permit offices and there will be a surplus of housing.

If you can afford a Class A home and are concerned with resale value, go through the Permit Office.

If not, build shelter.


3 posted on 04/19/2017 12:30:07 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("The church ... is not the master or the servant of the state, but the conscience" - Luther)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Yep. There is no way to keep the leftist scum out and no way to keep them to what they were sent there to do if one ever happens.


4 posted on 04/19/2017 12:31:50 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: pabianice

I prefer a Right to Arms. Arms are mentioned in the Constitution, Housing is not mentioned in the Constitution.

Another Person’s Rights end at my Nose and my Wallet.

Just sayin’...


5 posted on 04/19/2017 12:33:55 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The way Liberals carry on about Deportation, you would think "Mexico" was Spanish for "Auschwitz".)
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To: pabianice

“Entitlements” are the path to a nation of slaves presided over by their middleman masters in government. No thanks. Whatever “entitlement” an individual receives was first taken from their neighbor by government force or threat.


6 posted on 04/19/2017 12:42:25 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Government employees and welfare recipients are both net tax consumers. Often for life.)
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To: pabianice

Skimmed the rather long screed. Interesting how self-contradictory their demands are: availability of housing to all (with “progressive” subsidizing per occupant’s income), vs quality of housing for all (raising costs thereof). No surprise of course that they assume significant governmental (i.e.: taxpayer-confiscated) funding to resolve the conflict.

Notably, they propose eliminating the tax deductions of property taxes & mortgage interest costs as those “provide a huge and highly regressive housing subsidy to those who need it least”. These people view the $400 billion “lost revenue” as a tantalizing solution to funding their positive “right to housing”.

At this point in such discussions, I’m fond of pointing people to http://zillow.com to search any given state for property constrained to any maximum price they see fit ... then to http://www.ebay.com/sch/RVs-Campers to get something ready to move into anywhere. I can have you on an 18 acre lot in GA with a camper to start with, basic tools, and a complete set of Foxfire “live off the land” books, for $10,000 flat ... that’s enough land to farm & log & hunt, owned outright, easily covered with a tax refund and/or welfare benefit; take that profitably further by turning it into a commune, kibbutz, or Galt’s Gulch as you see fit.

There’s a huge difference between the cultural axioms of “get it done” vs “do it for me”.


7 posted on 04/19/2017 1:02:24 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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Thank you for referencing that article pabianice. Please note that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

"The concept and reality of rights is, of course, an evolving [???] drama, one that has played out in our nation's history. The right of slaves to be free of bondage was won via armed struggle and political action that produced amendments to our Constitution [emphases added] The right of women to vote has a similar, albeit less violent, history."

Note that up to the point in the first paragraph indicated above, the states had properly amended the Constitution to establish new constitutional rights.

But the remaining part of the first paragraph shown below ignores that the states have never amended the Constitution to expressly protect newer so-called “rights,” rights established either by activist justices wrongly legislating from the bench, or by unconstitutional, vote-winning federal laws based on stolen state powers.

"Workers won the right to organize, a right that was codified by federal legislation [emphasis added]. The Civil Rights movement produced a set of legal rights that did not previously exist and changed profoundly public culture and practices with regard to race."

Regarding unconstitutonal federal funding for INTRAstate housing, the states need to put a stop to the feds stealing state revenues in the form of unconstitutonal federal taxes, revenues that the states could be using to manage their own housing programs, ultimately depending on what legal voters of a given state want.

Drain the swamp! Drain the swamp!

Remember in November ’18 !

Since Trump entered the ’16 presidential race too late for patriots to make sure that there were state sovereignty-respecting candidates on the primary ballots, patriots need make sure that such candidates are on the ’18 primary ballots so that they can be elected to support Trump in draining the unconstitutionally big federal government swamp.

Such a Congress will also be able to finish draining the swamp with respect to getting the remaining state sovereignty-ignoring, activist Supreme Court justices off of the bench.

In fact, if Justice Gorsuch turns out to be a liberal Trojan Horse then we will need 67 patriot senators to remove a House-impeached Gorsuch from office.

Noting that the primaries start in Iowa and New Hampshire in February ‘18, patriots need to challenge candidates for federal office in the following way.

While I Googled the primary information above concerning Iowa and New Hampshire, FReeper iowamark brought to my attention that the February primaries for these states apply only to presidential election years. And after doing some more scratching, since primary dates for most states for 2018 elections probably haven’t been uploaded at this time (March 14, 2017), FReepers will need to find out primary dates from sources and / or websites in their own states.

Patriots need to qualify candidates by asking them why the Founding States made the Constitution’s Section 8 of Article I; to limit (cripple) the federal government’s powers.

Patriots also need to find candidates that are knowledgeable of the Supreme Court's clarifications of the federal government’s limited powers listed above.

8 posted on 04/19/2017 1:08:44 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: pabianice

Don’t forget. The Progressives now say health care is a right. Also there are transgender rights. etc etc etc


9 posted on 04/19/2017 1:18:53 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: Buckeye McFrog
This is the slippery slope we’ll end up on if there ever is an Article V Convention.


10 posted on 04/19/2017 1:22:20 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Rurudyne

The commies want a home, here it is: here’s a shovel, dig a hole, blam.


11 posted on 04/19/2017 1:42:36 PM PDT by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: dfwgator

Dialog:

(Doctor Zhivago comes home to his house to find it full of squatters...)

Dr. What are you doing?

Red Star Cap man: Re-allocation of living space, Comrade Doctor. Fifty square meters for a family of less than five persons.

Tonya’s father: Dammit, whose house is this, anyway?

Tonya: Father, be quiet!

Dr. Z: All right, 50 square meters.
What’re you doing with my things?

Cap woman: They’re being stored.

Tonya’s father: They’re being stolen.


12 posted on 04/19/2017 2:08:36 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Keep fighting the Left and their Fake News!)
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To: pabianice

NOTHING for which another must pay is a right.


13 posted on 04/19/2017 2:39:27 PM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: pabianice

Give out canvas tarps and let them make a half shelter. Good enough for soldiers, good enough for parasites.


14 posted on 04/19/2017 2:44:49 PM PDT by Kudsman
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To: pabianice
Rights are NOT dependent on the action of a third party.

Housing is NOT a right.

If a child is born with the 'right' to housing paid for by the taxpayers, which child is born with the responsibility to pay for that housing?

That doesn't mean that it is in society's best interest to do nothing. It does mean that housing is NOT a right.

"Ceterum censeo Islam esse delendam."

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

15 posted on 04/19/2017 2:55:13 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
No, because any amendments produced by an Article 5 convention still require ratification by the states.

"Ceterum censeo Islam esse delendam."

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

16 posted on 04/19/2017 2:56:48 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

It is the slope we are on without an Article V Convention.


17 posted on 04/19/2017 5:05:03 PM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: pabianice

I didn’t read the article but there’s no ownership in the USA ,, you only rent ... my aunt was forced to sell her home in NYC because the property taxes in 2012 equaled the purchase price in 1972,, she rented it out for $3k a month and over $2k went to the gov’t. I’m all for every adult being granted a full exemption from property taxes on their homestead.


18 posted on 04/19/2017 5:36:30 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (Show me a peaceful Muslim and I will show you a heretic to the Koran.)
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To: pabianice
In one sequence, having lost the patronage of his feudal lord, he is reduced to taking his family into the woods to search for a cave to keep from being killed by the weather during the winter.

IOW - he had all the skills to create his own housing, but the government made it impossible for him to use those skills.....

Story reminiscent of "A government powerful enough to provide for all your needs is also powerful enough to take them all away"....

19 posted on 04/20/2017 2:49:27 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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A right is something with which you are born. It is yours as a human being, granted by your creator.

A right does not depend on any others, and in fact, when your “rights” are imposed on another person, then that person is your slave.

The US Constitution points out several rights, all of which are inherent. For instance, the right to keep and bear arms. But just because you have a right, it does not obligate others to buy those arms for you.

When someone claims that people have rights to food, shelter, healthcare, etc, they are obligating others to provide those goods and services to others, often providing favors to buy votes.

A politician can always rely on Paul’s vote, when they rob (or tax) Peter to pay Paul.

Mark


20 posted on 04/21/2017 6:23:25 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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