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All these tools, all these weapons. The history of progressivism is something that today's progressives do not want anybody seeing, want anybody using, because they would have a very hard time defending themselves against the use of these.
1 posted on 01/13/2017 8:14:55 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica
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Progressives do not want to discuss their own history. I want to discuss their history.

Summary: This speech was definitely not intended for public consumption.

2 posted on 01/13/2017 8:17:41 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to "the historians" anymore.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Good post...thank you.

PROGRESSIVE = REPRESSIVE


3 posted on 01/13/2017 8:19:47 AM PST by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Good find. A lot of this stuff has been available; but progressives have been very good at their policy of not showing it to the masses.


4 posted on 01/13/2017 8:22:46 AM PST by marktwain
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Wow. Great find. It is called The Fourth Power, not the Forth Estate, although the fourth estate today does consider itself a power. I think here of the Powers and the Principalities in the New Testament. I will have to pour a glass or two of brandy and read this meditatively later tonight. Much thanks.


5 posted on 01/13/2017 8:25:16 AM PST by Montaignes Cat
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Bkmk


7 posted on 01/13/2017 8:43:32 AM PST by sauropod (Beware the fury of a patient man. I've lost my patience!)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
1) It is not the beginning of our troubles. Progressivism already had a 30+ year track record by the time the New Deal began.

Try "The Civil War." That is a much better place to start. All the particulars were in place; Wealthy, Liberal power blocks trying to force their morality on everyone else and use the power of government to do it.

Others have pointed out that Progressivism started with the Puritans in Massachusetts, who were also arrogant and insistent that everyone conform to their moral opinions.

But for our modern understanding of the phenomena, the Civil War is a better point from which to project it's origin.

8 posted on 01/13/2017 8:45:21 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: ProgressingAmerica

"We're conservative! {uhhh} But Progressive!"


 

"I do not like the reappearance of the Jesuits....
Shall we not have regular swarms of them here, in as many disguises as only a king of the gipsies can assume, dressed as printers, publishers, [Banksters], writers and schoolmasters?

If ever there was a body of men who merited damnation on earth and in Hell, it is this society of Loyola’s.

Nevertheless, we are compelled by our system of religious toleration to offer them an asylum."

--John Adams to Thomas Jefferson; May, 1816



10 posted on 01/13/2017 8:46:54 AM PST by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

bfl


14 posted on 01/13/2017 9:06:28 AM PST by snooter55 (People may doubt what you say, but they will always believe what you do)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Nice work. Thank you.


20 posted on 01/13/2017 9:24:23 AM PST by Bigg Red (To Thee, O Lord, I lift my soul. Thank you for saving our Republic.)
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I just realized that I made a small mistake.

Initially I correctly used the title of Tugwell’s speech “The Fourth Power”, but the second and third times I mention the speech I get the title wrong as “The Fourth Estate”.(we are probably all used to hearing that phrase)

The correct title is “The Fourth Power”.


22 posted on 01/13/2017 9:56:37 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to "the historians" anymore.)
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Fascinating piece, and thanks for posting. The tendency of "social control" toward totalitarianism is too pronounced not to have been noticed by its proponents. Only a markedly different view of society can account for this blind spot - it is as if human actualization equates to freedom and the social controller can therefore order people to be free. Marx appeared to think so, but the fact that the state he predicted would wither away became ever stronger until it broke might lead the honest progressive to a little reflection.

Planned economies demonstrably do not work. Why should planned societies be otherwise? Both require planned people, and while that's fine for speculative fiction, in practice people don't seem quite as malleable as hoped by the progressive who would plan them into another, better state of being. That gets awfully messy when it fails.

24 posted on 01/13/2017 10:26:36 AM PST by Billthedrill
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I would like to recommend a book as part of this very interesting discussion.

The Basic Symbols of the American Political Tradition by Willmoore Kendall and George Carey.

More significantly, its arguments challenged core tenets of what had become received wisdom concerning the roots of our political beliefs and institutions. Willmoore Kendall and George W. Carey argue that a new, largely contrived political tradition has gained currency in many legal, academic, and political circles. This new tradition, set forth by Lincoln in his Gettysburg Address, holds that our fundamental political ideas are derived from the Bill of Rights and the "all men are created equal" clause of the Declaration of Independence. Proponents of this view not only champion individual rights but also believe that the achievement of a broadly defined equality represents a binding but as yet unfulfilled promise made by the American people in the Declaration...In the present work, Kendall and Carey instead maintain that one must look to the founding era and its key documents in order to understand our indigenous political tradition. In so doing, one sees that the right of the people to govern themselves, rather than the concept of individual rights, is at the heart of the American political tradition.

Kendall and Carey argue, citing America's seminal political documents, that Lincoln changed the fundamental focus of the American experience, and we are paying the price for that change unto this day.

https://www.amazon.com/Basic-Symbols-American-Political-Tradition/dp/0813208262

45 posted on 01/13/2017 1:53:03 PM PST by Robwin
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