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To: Trump_vs_Evil_Witch
I've never understood the Syria thing. The same people who harshly criticized Bush for trying to displace a brutal but mostly secular dictator (Saddam), then went about de-stabilizing another mostly secular Middle-Eastern strongman (Assad), siding with people very similar to those who made the Iraq War such a long, drawn-out ordeal: Islamic extremists.

I don't get it, unless they just wanted chaos for the sake of chaos, or wanted to support Islamic extremism.
3 posted on 12/17/2016 8:35:41 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle
wanted to support Islamic extremism

Bingo.

6 posted on 12/17/2016 8:41:47 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: Steve_Seattle

let me help you in less than 300 words.
the largest voting block of the un is the oic.
its a muslim organization.
nobama was a full blown muslim. he framed is reality in Indonesia as a muslim.there is no American there.
the war in Europe is a war against Western European christians.
the guys who gave both civilization and modernity to the world

Saddam and moamarr are similar creatures, excepting Libya was the cork that contained africans and mid easterners.

once the cork is out, it’s hard to re stuff the evil genie.

Europe is lost.
From obamas perspective, he wanted a war between the two largest christian groups... Russia and America.

did I help?


9 posted on 12/17/2016 8:46:53 PM PST by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: Steve_Seattle

You have a few knee jerk, simplistic reactions here. Reality is much more complicated. My take, somewhat abbreviated and over-simplified itself:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3505837/posts?page=28#28


22 posted on 12/18/2016 1:19:09 AM PST by Paul R.
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Two things to always watch for in the Middle East.

The first applies everywhere - follow the money, which in the Middle East means oil and gas. The second is follow the Shia-Sunni split.

Assad sits athwart a pipeline route to get Saudi and Emirate (Sunni) natural gas to Europe, which would compete with the Russians. So the Iranian Shia don’t like this, which is why you find the Russians and the Iranians helping Assad.


27 posted on 12/18/2016 4:41:11 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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Indeed! I have seared in my memory the famous picture of Nancy Pelosi, head scarf and all, having a nice friendly chat
with Assad-at the time Bush was trying to have him replaced.
I suspect it was not so such to show support for Assad but rather, to show contempt for Bush.


34 posted on 12/18/2016 5:48:05 AM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: Steve_Seattle
I don't get it, unless they just wanted chaos for the sake of chaos, or wanted to support Islamic extremism

             

35 posted on 12/18/2016 6:23:45 AM PST by tomkat
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To: Steve_Seattle

I’d also add, regarding Aleppo (and some of the high-fiving going on here):

In terms of the effort to defeat radical Islam, which will likely take generations if not longer, Aleppo is presently at most tactical win for Assad & Russia. Whether or not it is in the longer run a strategic win for Russia and / or Assad is somewhat unclear. For Russia & Iran, it cost considerable resources, with no assurance at all that the pipeline project they favor will ever be feasible. Russia’s Mediterranean port IS probably a bit more secure, for now. But, for Assad’s Syria, it’s largest city is essentially destroyed, the population scattered, and no small number are dead or maimed. Many terrorists were killed, but many also escaped or were allowed to leave. Turkey, and several Gulf States will still pursue the ouster of Assad, as may the Euros, even though Trump likely will end US efforts. While some of the other “local” groups are weakened, ISIS overall is not. (Even as Aleppo fell, ISIS just recaptured Palmyra and some significant weaponry, apparently.) US influence is severely weakened. One also has to wonder how much more difficult the task of retaking Aleppo would have been if the rebel groups had not generally been fighting both Syria and each other — granted that this is not an uncommon thing, with the Islamists.

Now, let’s back up a moment, and consider the more general effort to defeat radical Islam. I have seen no one consider this: The terrorists, even though for most of them it was not their goal in this instance, were able to accomplish the destruction of a major city, largely through “leveraging” the actions of the government of the country that city is / was in, and that country’s allies.

Think about the ramifications of THAT, for a few evenings...


36 posted on 12/18/2016 6:32:41 AM PST by Paul R.
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To: Steve_Seattle

The one consistency that stands out during the Bush and Obama years is the support of Saudi interests by taking out Saddam Hussein in Iraq in 2003 and later on the Saudi-Gulf Arab backed “Arab Spring” that included the Syrian Civil War.

You have to factor in the Iranian Street Revolt in 2009 and the Ukrainian Coup in 2014.

The Iranian street protests and Ukraine both had similarities and undermined Shia Iran and its ally Russia, just like the Syrian Civil War does in favor of the Sunni Saudis.

In the midst of all this insanity, the Iran Nuclear Deal of Obama enabled by the Republicans in the US Senate with the Corker Bill.

Now the GOP beats its chest for Iranian Sanctions.....Trump will go along I’m sure but its time to back out of Syria, stay out of Syria, stop doing what the Saudi$ want.

Last Sunday, Peter Hitchens wrote a column saying the deeply in debt economically distressed UK loves Saudi money and does business selling weapons to them.

The same applies to the US and Europe to varying degrees.


37 posted on 12/18/2016 6:42:48 AM PST by Nextrush (Freedom is everybody's business: Remember Pastor Niemoller)
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