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Congress calls for a war games 'flyoff' between 40 year old A-10 and new $400bn F-35 ...
Daily Mail ^ | 2 Dec 2016 | Mark Prigg

Posted on 12/03/2016 9:08:33 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT

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To: jz638
If the replacement for the A-10 has a pilot’ seat (or any current generation combat aircraft for that matter), we are doing it wrong.

I agree. We should have a fighter jet that can pull 15g -- a pilot wouldn't enjoy that, but without a pilot on board, the machine can have higher performance. Also, fully trained pilots are more valuable than machines. Japan basically lost WWII in the air because they lost their good pilots. They built planes, but no longer had really good men to fly them.

Planes without pilots will have better performance, and you will never lose another pilot. Huge value.

41 posted on 12/03/2016 11:12:32 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Abortion is what slavery was: immoral but not illegal. Not yet.)
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To: Mariner
the F-35 in a ground attack role can probably take out as many tanks as a single A-10 due to it’s precision weaponry

How many recent sorties against tanks have A-10's flown?

42 posted on 12/03/2016 11:12:47 AM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: Mariner

I would seriously consider court martialing any commander who used an F-35 to attack tanks.


43 posted on 12/03/2016 11:19:08 AM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Gaffer
And the A-10 can do that.....once.

The A-10 is good for one mission, close air support in a permissive environment. That is it.

44 posted on 12/03/2016 11:38:42 AM PST by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Mr. K

I am guessing modern production of an A-10 would be north of $25 million.


45 posted on 12/03/2016 11:40:17 AM PST by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Bryan24

By that standard the F-22 is no good either, nor has been any combat aircraft the US as ever produced.


46 posted on 12/03/2016 11:49:23 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: econjack

The A-10 beat the F-16 at gunsmoke in the late 80s or early 90s. I worked on the targeting system that made the difference. The next year they changed the rules so the A-10 wouldn’t win again.


47 posted on 12/03/2016 11:54:23 AM PST by MortMan (A just nation applies it laws faithfully.)
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To: Bryan24

“I would seriously consider court martialing any commander who used an F-35 to attack tanks.”

The F-35 can carry 2 of these in it’s internal bays, maintaining stealth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnouGF66CZ4

It can carry 8 total with a >600 mile radius...when stealth is not required.

All the while maintaining a decent Fighter capability with the best radar and sensors in US inventory...and two of these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-120_AMRAAM

Why would you court martial an officer for sending this platform to attack tanks? It should be able to take out quite a few.


48 posted on 12/03/2016 12:18:58 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Bryan24
the USAF owns and pilots everything with fixed wings.

What about the Harriers the Marines used to fly? And the USAF needs to work and play better with others. So maybe the SoD needs to knock down some of those ridiculous boundaries.

49 posted on 12/03/2016 12:26:04 PM PST by IronJack
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To: Jeff Chandler

“We can argue about this all day long, but put a few of these in the field and it’s game over for either plane.”

No, only for the A-10.

The F-35 can take out armor from 40,000 feet.


50 posted on 12/03/2016 12:31:24 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/planes/q0163.shtml


51 posted on 12/03/2016 12:36:32 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: IronJack

I started to caveat my post with the Marines using Harriers, but I felt it was such an Air Force/Army issue I didn’t include the Marines.

Really, it is about Close-Air-Support. The Marines do their own. The Army relies on the Air Force, outside of their Apaches.


52 posted on 12/03/2016 12:44:25 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Mariner

There were plenty of weapons systems that would allow the F-35 to replace and pass all the roles of the A-10. All of them were cancelled. But at least we still have diversity training.


53 posted on 12/03/2016 12:50:33 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Those systems are in production now. The F-35 can take out more armor with fewer friendly casualties and greater survivability than the A-10.

And it can perform several roles which the A-10 cannot.


54 posted on 12/03/2016 1:03:05 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

well, some old cars ARE better than some new ones....?


55 posted on 12/03/2016 1:53:43 PM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicians are not born. They're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: Gaffer

But they’ll get it right no matter how much it costs us.


56 posted on 12/03/2016 3:55:06 PM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: stanne

The military is notorious for setting the face-off criteria heavily biased to what they want.


57 posted on 12/03/2016 4:07:08 PM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: Axenolith

To modify Stalin’s famed quote “quantity has a quality all it’s own”.
“It’s cheap, tough, effective, and it works; has a quality all it’s own”.


58 posted on 12/03/2016 5:58:57 PM PST by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: trebb

“It was really neat to see it going down the runway, seeming way to slow to take to the air, have the gear retract from under it while it remained at the same level above the runway then do a hard bank as it began its climb. “

Saw that in Myrtle Beach back in ‘78 while driving past the base on my way into town. Did a double-take and nearly wrecked the car.


59 posted on 12/03/2016 6:29:25 PM PST by Rebelbase (Gatlinburg wildfire: over 1000 homes and business damaged or destroyed.)
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To: SgtHooper

The A 10 works and it works in a lot of different situations.

High level military are notorious for working for defense contractors after they get out and skewing based on that before they get out.

They’ve been against the A 10 for a long time. It’s just not lucrative. Yet it honestly beats other aircraft. Like a good football team


60 posted on 12/03/2016 7:22:39 PM PST by stanne
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