Posted on 10/21/2016 8:38:13 AM PDT by OrangeHoof
So, let's say that the Democrats really are telling the truth and Russian hackers are behind all the embarrassing hacking going on of the DNC and various federal agencies (notice they don't dispute what the hacks reveal, only who's doing them) and we know Democrats are trying myriad ways to commit vote fraud in this election, it would not be too far a reach to think Russian hackers might have access to vote tabulation centers in the U.S. to change the results of the American vote in favor of Trump.
a) if their side cheats, I'm not bothered that we got help to offset their cheating.
b) Obama should declare the entire election null and void and keep himself in office until a tamper-proof election can be held (with Dems still allowed to cheat in their traditional ways, of course)
c) Trump should declare that he did not win in a fair way and call for a new election.
d) Our side should only accept victory if it is won fairly. This is America and we only win if we play by the rules.
e) What time does my show start? I'm tuning this out.
Personally, I'm not buying the idea the Russians are behind the hacks at all. To what end? Do they really think they would have an easier time negotiating with Trump than with Hillary?
But if the Democrats are willing to do *anything* to win, as they have shown, how would you feel about the Russians possibly countertampering U.S. elections?
IMO, the stakes this time are so high, I would regretfully accept Russian aid but, after the inauguration, redouble efforts to prevent such hacks and interventions in future elections - even if it means going back to paper ballots and voter ID.
Thoughts?
Putin is a smart man, he is supporting Trump because he wants Hillary to win
Putin is playing 3D chess while the Democrats are reading the directions to Tiddly Winks
So I would take all of this “Rusian are hacking us” nonsense with a grain of salt, if anything it is disgruntled DNC insiders, some whom are dead, who leaked the information. Russia is a distraction, do you trust the government that told you it was all about a movie or if you like your insurance you can keep it? I don’t, not for a second.
If the Russians hack the vote, that’s dispicable outside inteference. But it’s our fault for having a hackable system.
If they hack the vote and put someone in office who will fix the hackable systems, well ....is that so bad?
If they hack the vote and put someone in office who will work to avoid war, while got giving away the store, is that so bad?
If the only inteference is wikileaks shining a light on what are current politicians have done...is that so bad?
So far there is one guy, who happens to have 17 agencies who claims Russia is involved. There have not been statements from 17 different agencies.
NOW putin is playing 3D chess!!
How anyone here can even take a guess at who putin supports is beyond me.
hillary brings WWIII but also crony capitalism, which putin likes.
Trump delivers syria back to assad and the russians and they are happy.
who the #### knows what he’s thinking. Who the ### cares besides dems.
Assuming a Trump win, the left will portray him as an illegitimate place holder. Better yet if his alleged political illegitimacy is trumpeted now, when it might dampen the turnout and affect the vote.
The ploy to blame the Russians for hacking was too well timed, choreographed and broadcast to have any credibility. Just more Alinskyism, seeing how much thrown mud can stick to the wall.
There are no Russian Hackers. Democrats have created a scapegoat, or boogie man to win the election. Its a shame the lies that are coming out of DC anymore. It’s a wonder the people don’t rise up and hang everyone on DC
One thing I haven’t heard of in the Russian discussions is WHY Putin would want Trump. Hillary says Putin will make Trump his puppet and it stops there. Some other possibilities
* A strong US economy means a strong world economy - good for everyone
* A reliable US partner is needed to defeat ISIS
* An untrustworthy US president will be a disaster all over the world. Nobody can be Hillary’s ally if they don’t trust her (and why would they). And nobody will know who her enemy really is. And those can change daily based on foundation donations.
Putin may very well be trying to help Trump. And to the advantage of Russia. But maybe not doing it to harm the US - in fact trying to help the US since that also helps the world and Russia. I would expect any world leader to try to influence other elections. And I have no doubt Obama has done it. He certainly seems to have tried to influence Brexit. But US media only cares if the influence goes against their beliefs.
If the Russians hack this election, I will assume that they have hacked the last several.
Personally I think it’s teh DNC doing the hacking and blaming the Russians so if Clinton loses she can blame a vast international conspiracy that has been dogging the Clintons throughout there decades long, tireless efforts fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way.
The Russians read Hillary like an open book because of her many e-mails that they had access to, and they feel that they can deal with Trump better than with Hillary. I don’t think that the Russians are in favor of WWIII and they think that a world war would ensue if Hillary becomes POTUS. not necessarily a war between Russia and the US but perhaps between N.Korea and US or perhaps Iran/US. The Russians know more about what is going on in the world than our present POTUS does and Hillary is nothing more than Obama on steroids. Also consider the fact that four years under Hillary would mean islamization of the US and Russia has its own problems with Islam and so does China. We, in the US still don’t understand the danger that Islam poses to the rest of the world and Russia does because the former soviet Union had many Islamic states. I think that we have to always include Islam in all of our strategic plans.
“(notice they don’t dispute what the hacks reveal, only who’s doing them)”
This is universal, and it has also been universal in the response of Clinton and her enablers. So, clearly, they are GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY!!!!
What bothers me is that Hillary is usually dking herself what she accuses others of doing.
It’s a characteristic of a narcissistic person.
I don’t believe the “Russians are hacking the election” bit at all. Why would Putin want a strong, professional negotiator like Trump to deal with? On the surface, he’d prefer a weak politician like Hillary, who I’d bet he can blackmail, especially if his people have hacked our systems.
On the other hand, according to Secret Service leaks, Hillary is not only a rude, obnoxious tyrant to her own people, she is also rude to diplomats. A quote:
According to the agent, Clinton didn’t just treat agents poorly. She reportedly disrespected U.S. ambassadors with her routine breaches of diplomatic protocol.
From this article:
So foreign diplomats apparently don’t like Hillary at all, but assuming Russia has actually hacked our systems, which is very possible, given her exceptionally weak computer security, she is also susceptible to major league blackmail.
So...would Putin rather have a respectable adversary he knows he can negotiate with, and he knows Trump always tries to make sure both parties come away with something, or a weak, corrupt politician he knows he can blackmail?
I think, if Hillary has the reputation abroad she has here, for being a totally rude obnoxious bitch, he’d probably prefer Trump. His subordinates have probably told him long ago they don’t want to deal with her any more.
I don’t put it past Putin to meddle in another country’s politics, historically it wouldn’t be the first time this has happened, but I don’t think anyone abroad really wants Hillary on their hands any more.
Dear Washington,
America is coming,
and they’re bringing Donald J Trump.
“Thoughts?”
Trump becomes President and first thing he does is announce before the next election, the voting system will be fixed on both a national and local level. This includes:
1 - a purge of all voter rolls of dead people
2 - a purge of all voter rolls of illegal aliens
3 - a purge of all voter rolls of criminals
4 - a recall of every voting machine in the country which will be analyzed for fraud with the manufacturer billed directly and removed from ever doing business in the US again if a machine was found to be tampered with.
5 - A national voter ID card which will get matched up by SS#. (yeah yeah, privacy rights. Fix the system then we can change it up)
6 - Stiffer penalties for voter fraud.
7 - Change laws which say no crossover from media to government and vice versa for a period of two full election cycles. As an example, Stephy went from Clinton to ABC. In this case he would have to wait for 8 years before making the move. If he decided to go back to the Clinton campaign, he would have to wait 8 years after leaving ABC.
8 - Media outlets and their “on-air” personalities cannot donate to a candidate.
9 - Immediate census survey to be done followed by privatization of census.
10 - Polls must quadruple number of surveyed people for greater accuracy and has to be likely voters. Oversampling is illegal.
I think those ten things are a good start.
Podesta’s email password was allegedly grabbed on an Amtrak train that had an open WiFi router by a perp with a promiscuous packet tracer. Podesta used the same pw everywhere which is how his Twitter account was also hacked.
Somehow I don’t think that Amtrak has a line that goes to Russia.
“Do they really think they would have an easier time negotiating with Trump than with Hillary?”
Nah, they know exactly how to negotiate with Hillary, as demonstrated by their successful negotiations to get our uranium. All they have to do is bribe her and she’ll play along. Trump is the unknown quantity to them.
Can anyone contact them, the Russkies, and beg that they make sure McCain, Graham, & Ryan lose their elections, but that all other Republicans beat Democrats in Congressional & Senate races along with making Trump our President? Just to be safe: /sarcasm (sort of)
They should post the name of every dead person to every percent. They should post names of everyone who voted twice. Nice if they had the capability.
Eastern European hackers are after money. .
“If they hack the vote and put someone in office who will work to avoid war, while got [sic] giving away the store, is that so bad?”
I’m no fan of the Russians, the Soviets or Putin. The former 2 abused my family in a variety of ways over the last couple hundred years, and I am very wary of them (and glad that the USSR is a dimming, if horrendous, memory - thank you, Ronald Reagan!). Putin I don’t trust to look out for anyone’s interests other than his own or Russia’s - as SHOULD be the case with any normal person running a country.
HOWEVER, sometimes Putin’s and Russia’s interests coincide with ours, and that presents room for cooperation and a possibility of reducing general tensions and moving toward better relations. WRT avoiding a war between our nations, I’d venture to say that Putin and Russia share our interest in that, because even without nukes it’d be enormously destructive (and I don’t see how you avoid the use of nukes - so we’re now talking about SHTF catastrophic effects). While that one simple common interest may not lead us to close cooperation on many other issues, I’d be happy if our leadership wasn’t so insane as to try to push the nuclear-armed and definitely not stupid Russians into a corner. Smart and sane people leave opponents a way out, and push them in that direction, which clearly shows that lack of intelligence, decency and sanity that Obama and Clinton have.
Time for Trump. Once elected, he needs to communicate to the Russian government (even if very quietly) that they need to put up with Obama’s idiocy and provocations for just a couple of months more, and then sanity will be restored to our relations. This should defuse the ticking nuclear time bomb that’s been lit in Syria.
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