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Intelligence in the animal kingdom is something those with a lot of contact with various domesticated animals haven't doubted.
1 posted on 10/07/2016 10:39:24 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA

This is pretty simple.

Years ago I noticed that clients under deep hypnosis were super psychic.

Hypnosis is a process where the logical aspect of consciousness is distracted and a person is left with their emotional child consciousness.

I also noted that many people, especially women< who were psychic had childhood trauma that created an emotional sub-personality that still had the abilities of a child.

I was playing a game with my son when he was in elementry school. we were driving and it was just a game to pass the time.

He surprised me when he his 15 out of 20 3 digit numbers between 0 and 999 on the first guess. His misses were real close or transpositions of the number I was thinking.

What was unusual was that he had a photographic memory which is the logical aspect of consciousness and should not have had the emotional access abilities.


2 posted on 10/07/2016 10:45:09 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: JimSEA

Except that humans aren’t apes nor descended from apes.


3 posted on 10/07/2016 10:46:10 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: JimSEA

Except that humans aren’t apes nor descended from apes.


4 posted on 10/07/2016 10:46:10 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: JimSEA
Read this the other day.So there are gorillas...and perhaps chimps...that can read the minds of their peers.

I,personally,find this easy to believe.I mean...how difficult can it be? "Food"...."territory"...."sex".Seems to me that they have a one-in-three chance of being right!

5 posted on 10/07/2016 10:46:55 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Deplorables' Lives Matter)
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No, the correct answer is “It’s in my belly. The second person was too late and hid an empty box.”


6 posted on 10/07/2016 10:47:06 AM PDT by bgill (From the CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola")
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“Now, young blueunicorn6, where do you think the first person will look to find that chocolate bar?”

“What chocolate bar? I never saw a chocolate bar.”

“You never saw the first person put a chocolate bar in the box?”

“Nope. Sorry.”

“The red-haired lady? You didn’t see the red-haired lady put the chocolate bar in the box?”

“You saw somebody with a chocolate bar, Doctor?”

“Yes! Yes! There was a red-haired lady with a chocolate bar!”

“I don’t see anyone. Where is she?”

“How should I know? Maybe she’s......wait a minute. Whose experiment is this, anyway?”

“Well, if you don’t know, then don’t ask me. I’m just here for a chocolate bar.”


9 posted on 10/07/2016 11:07:12 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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“Testing the idea that nonhuman [animals] can have minds has been the Rubicon that skeptics have again and again said no nonhuman has ever, or will ever, cross,”

Humans are different in kind from animals that have a rudimentary primitive mind, because only humans use reason as the means of knowledge and survival.

10 posted on 10/07/2016 11:32:36 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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Saw this baby orangutan enjoy a magic trick illustrating this just a few days ago on Facebook.

Very cute . . . and smart.

11 posted on 10/07/2016 11:45:03 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: JimSEA

We are not apes, great or otherwise.


12 posted on 10/07/2016 11:59:41 AM PDT by Persevero (NUTS)
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Human beings have mental powers that include the material mental powers of animals but in addition entail a profoundly different kind of thinking. Human beings think abstractly, and nonhuman animals do not. Human beings have the power to contemplate universals, which are concepts that have no material instantiation. Human beings think about mathematics, literature, art, language, justice, mercy, and an endless library of abstract concepts. Human beings are rational animals.

Human rationality is not merely a highly evolved kind of animal perception. Human rationality is qualitatively different -- ontologically different -- from animal perception. Human rationality is different because it is immaterial. Contemplation of universals cannot have material instantiation, because universals themselves are not material and cannot be instantiated in matter.

I stress here the difference between representation and instantiation. Representation is the map of a thing. Instantiation is the thing itself. Universals can be represented in matter -- the words I am writing in this post are representations of concepts -- but universals cannot be instantiated in matter. I cannot put the concepts themselves on a computer screen or on a piece of paper, nor can the concepts exist physically in my brain. Concepts, which are universals, are immaterial.

Nonhuman animals are purely material beings. They have no concepts. They experience hunger and pain. They don't contemplate the injustice of suffering.

A human being is material and immaterial -- a composite being. We have material bodies, and our perceptions and imaginations and appetites are material powers, instantiated in our brains. But our intellect -- our ability to think abstractly -- is a wholly immaterial power, and our will that acts in accordance with our intellect is an immaterial power. Our intellect and our will depend on matter for their ordinary function, in the sense that they depend upon perception and imagination and memory, but they are not themselves made of matter. It is in our ability to think abstractly that we differ from apes. It is a radical difference -- an immeasurable qualitative difference, not a quantitative difference.

We are more different from apes than apes are from viruses…
- Michael Egnor

See also - A View of the World Fueled by "Nothing Special"

13 posted on 10/07/2016 12:45:03 PM PDT by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse O'Leary)
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To: JimSEA

This is a faulty study.

Everyone knows that when food is involved in any way, animal IQs rise to near-human levels.

Do it with something that doesn’t excite anyone for any reason (like a copy of the NY Slimes), and maybe I’ll pay attention.


14 posted on 10/07/2016 1:04:15 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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Funny, just last Wednesday we were at the Pittsburgh Zoo (and PPG Aquarium). Had a wonderful talk presented by the Orangutan Keeper.

She said and I am sure believed that Orangs can read body language, facial expressions and other subtle signs about us even better than we can read each other.

"They know ..." she said many times.

15 posted on 10/07/2016 1:10:26 PM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim (Hillary Clinton: the official candidate of the National Sleep Foundation)
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