Posted on 08/17/2016 6:28:20 PM PDT by Celerity
Pat Archbold: At what point is it legitimate to take up arms against this illegitimate government? I think that armed resistance might be legitimate as a defensive act if several states secede. Just war theory requires a reasonable chance of success? Without secession of multiple states, can armed defense be legitimate?
Alpha Bravo: Well, isn’t that the question du jour? I always snicker at Dennis Miller’s old joke that George Washington started blowing people’s heads off for taxing his breakfast beverage… and it wasn’t even coffee. First, as we discussed earlier, the whole American paradigm was and is deeply, deeply flawed and contained in itself from the beginning the seeds of its own inevitable collapse and destruction as John Adams himself was sure to point out, so we must be careful when citing the American Revolution as a positive example. But, those of us still capable of nuanced thought can tease out useful information from even a Diest-Freemasonic construct.
First, the founders of the American Republic did in fact do what I referenced as a current impossibility earlier. Namely, they FIRST established a replacement government so that there would be no absence of government, no state of anarchy. As St. Thomas teaches, it is gravely, gravely sinful to take up arms against a tyrant without first providing for a replacement government. If a people simply liquidate a tyrannical oligarchy (because there is in actuality no such thing as a pure tyranny consisting of one man – even the most powerful tyrants are still undergirded and enabled by an oligarch class) without providing for the replacement, the result of the state of anarchy will be the ascendancy of an even worse tyrant. Anarchy, by definition, enables the biggest psychopath thug to take control. Anarchy, therefore, is an always-fleeting interstitial period between a bad government and an even worse government.
The primary problem with the post-American populace is a near-unanimous unwillingness to defend itself against tyranny, and thus even contemplate or discuss the formation of a replacement government. As long as the Mickey-D’s is still slinging burgers and Cokes, and they can still watch all of their favorite agit-porn teevee shows and gaze upon this year’s popular and oh-so-lovable psychopath characters and their wacky, psychopathic hijinks, the very notion of rocking the boat, much less laying down one’s life, will engender nothing but contempt and hatred of the Jeremiahs by even the so-called “conservative right”. Believe me, I know.
But for the sake of the discussion, another problem with the former United States is the fact that the post-Christian, modernist cancer has so thoroughly metastasized. Any notion of geographical boundaries representing a sufficiently clean ideological compartmentalization is pure delusion. Every urban area will be its own discrete theater. There is no “Mason-Dixon Line”. Take Wichita, Kansas for example. One might be tempted to think that central Kansas, bordered on the south by Oklahoma, would be a “gimme”. No way. Wichita is a cesspit and stronghold of the rap/hip-hop culture, which is, of course, the Stepin Fetchit of the Washington DC regime. Every urban area is poisoned. Only the tiniest rural towns could establish a physical perimeter without sealing the enemy inside.
Beyond that, the possibility of establishing any sort of redoubt or new country by those attempting to flee is, for the first time in human history, impossible. The migration, spread and settlement of the entire planet has largely been driven by people trying to get the hell away from some other group of people. For some it was done with a handshake, for most it was done as a pure matter of survival: either go elsewhere or be killed. That is no longer possible as there is no more “unsettled land” and technology has effectively put us all in the same room. But more importantly, the forces of evil will not permit any competition. Any state secessions will be instantly crushed. The (former) US military “can’t” fight a few dozen inbred musloid retards to anything better than a draw, but rest assured that the full force and power of the American military AND economic complex would be brought to bear on any group of people that simply wanted to relocate to Montana, delink from Washington and be left the hell alone. Any sane, Christian state established anywhere on the planet would be instantly crushed, both militarily and economically, without mercy, because in the age of “tolerance”, “dialogue” and “accompanying one another, body-to-body, with tender caresses of mercy”, the jackboot stomps the face forever.
Having said all that, we return to supernatural. The Battle of Lepanto was a supernatural victory. On paper, it was suicide, and on a purely natural level would not have passed the Thomistic requirement that there be a reasonable chance of victory. But through Our Lady of the Rosary it was a decisive victory. The Battle of the Milvian Bridge was a supernatural victory. As was, in all likelihood, the Battle of Tours. St. Joan of Arc, by virtue of her very command, much less her victories, enjoyed supernatural support. I heard it said not long ago that a group of people “with nothing to lose” must be assembled to advance the cause. I disagree. Only when people who have EVERYTHING to lose lay down their lives and sail into a battle that, like Lepanto, looks impossible on paper, will there be hope. Has that time come? Oh, yes. Most definitely it has.
There are few readers in America today who would understand even the references in this article, much less grasp the concepts and subtle implications.
I love Ann, but I am still hoping we can vote our way out of this.
Soap box, ballot box,…
C’mon November
…cartridge box, pine box.
DEPOPULATE criminals/socialists/scumbags/progressives/POS’s/RINOS/retrogressives/enablers/eunuchs/tyrants/totalitarians from the body politic.
It’s easy to…
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I have long said, “Our founding fathers would be shooting by now.”
The model for government is already in place, ... The Constitution. It is but a matter of restoring and enforcing it in its original form.
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Ann has a lot of good truth in what she says. There is no refuge for sane citizens to flee to. Add to that, the restrictions on travel that are getting more restrictive. Soon, Big Brother (or Big Sister in Hillary's case) will check your travel papers and not allow you to travel if you aren't with their program. Can't start shooting if you're disarmed and contained.
Great article, and lays out at a high level what we would face. The above quote is what I expect the outcome would be even if we stood a one in 1,000 chance of actual winning. All of this makes me respect the Declaration and the bravery of the Founders even more. Of course, they had the advantage of the logistics being in their favor (thousands of nautical miles from their enemy in the age of sail).
You are absolutely correct. The Constitution is our government structure. We don’t need a replacement government we need to restore our constitutional republic which has been replaced by an oligarchy. The revolution has already taken place folks. We will shortly be looking at a counter revolution.
I once heard a great quote pertaining to these times, and it has stuck with me.
“We find ourselves in the weird place in history where it is too late to do anything about it, and too early to start shooting”
walking ... I understand that quotation is from Claire Wolfe and it goes something like this ...
“We find ourselves in that awkward time when it is too late to work within the system and too early to start shooting the bastards.”
That said, what a chilling article! It is true that only the tiniest of towns could set a defensive perimeter without having skunks inside the wire. And there is no “wilderness” to escape to and set up a new order. Creepy stuff.
Yup,
That quote is rib sticking.
The shooting would've been over by now, IMO.
“Our founding fathers would be shooting by now.”
I’ve found a different take on this.
Our wives would have greeted us at the door with our rifles and said “Go take care of this.”
It’s not just men who are unresponsive, scared. We respond to our womenfolk too meekly. For this to work, both have to be onboard and see the truth. The chances of this happening are slim to none.
“too late to do anything about it, and too early to start shooting”
I agree with a heavy heart. We all know that this is going to get worse before it gets better.
We WILL be living in Ghettos, walled off from the world. We will be in forced labor, or simply locked up before we wake up.
And success has come from this before - so don’t get depressed.
But if a few men can lash out - if just a few people can demonstrate effective resistance that actually works - then the rest will come about fast.
We are blessed now. We have technology. I don’t need to assemble an army to keep invaders out of my town anymore. I need a laptop and access to a network. Basically, “Send an email telling troops to roll out”
The new war is a war of data and programs. And by that I mean statistics and instructions. Those are two things that are very easy to fight. Mess up their data so that commanders will be too afraid to move on otherwise and previously actionable intel, and then when they do drop an instruction in the action that screws the whole thing up.
All of this shit is computerized. Don’t need a bullet or to even be present in the battlefield to work with that.
people that know how to do things...hunt...fish...garden....farm....sew...can...make sausage..build...shoot....etc...
sadly, many people are strapped....strapped to bills, strapped to jobs...
it would require smallish homes, and frugal living....
it would require everyone...young and old...to do something for the community...
haven't the Amish or Mennonites taught us anything?
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