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Israel’s Next Troop Taxi Is a Giant, Armored Carapace
War is Boring ^ | August 6, 2016 | Robert Beckhusen

Posted on 08/06/2016 6:28:05 AM PDT by C19fan

On the morning of July 19, 2014, an M-113 armored vehicle belonging to the Israeli army’s Golani Brigade crept into one of the most densely populated neighborhoods in the Gaza Strip — the scene of one of the most brutal battles in the 2014 war with Hamas.

But the lightly-armored vehicle, which dates to before the Vietnam War, was not meant for this kind of conflict. During the fighting, an anti-tank mine exploded underneath the M-113, killing seven soldiers. Hamas gunmen then ambushed IDF troops coming to the rescue, forcing them to retreat.

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TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: apc; armor; idf; israel
The defects of the M-113 have been known for a long time going back to Vietnam. Surprised the IDF has not replaced more over the years considering the wide variety of APCs on the int'l arms market.
1 posted on 08/06/2016 6:28:05 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

The IDF didn’t get rid of Shermans until the 1970s.
The M113 has plenty of uses away from the battle front. It will be around after you and I are gone.


2 posted on 08/06/2016 6:38:22 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: C19fan
RPG magnets. And the new RPG-30 series will slice through most any type of armor. Ask the Ukrainians. The Donbas is littered with T-63s, BTRs, BMPs,etc.

ATGMs largely responsible as well as RPGs. Just as it was in Georgia.

3 posted on 08/06/2016 6:39:26 AM PDT by donozark (My thoughts are not very deep. But they are of and inquisitive nature.)
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To: C19fan

Evolution in combat is as old as humanity. The first hominid to pick up a stick soon thereafter had a rock thrown at him...


4 posted on 08/06/2016 6:49:45 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: C19fan

M-113 to ACAV, 68-69 RVN.

No support driving in. IDF rescuers beaten back?

Something’s amiss.


5 posted on 08/06/2016 6:50:27 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: donozark

The trophy system on these, will deal with the rpg’s & atgm’s.


6 posted on 08/06/2016 7:09:48 AM PDT by ThinkingBuddha
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To: Little Ray

Agreed, its still a good command track, mortar carrier or TOW platform.


7 posted on 08/06/2016 7:20:02 AM PDT by Molon Labbie
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To: C19fan

The purpose of an APC is to allow the Infantry to “close” with the enemy without getting chewed up first.

You have to protect them from air attack.

You have to protect them from artillery attack.

You have to protect them from machine gun attack.

You have to protect them from anti-personnel mines.

You have to get them through obstacles.

Then, you have to worry about chemical attacks and anti-tank weapons.

The bigger it is, the easier to spot it and shoot it.

The more armor you have, the slower it goes and the harder it is to move by air.

Wheels can’t go some places that tracks can, but tracks are expensive and hard to maintain.

Lots of trade offs.


8 posted on 08/06/2016 7:31:09 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: C19fan
Eitan APC (prototype)

Wheeled, 750Hp, 35 tons. Similar to the German Boxer in concept. Reactive armor and an unmanned cannon either 30 or 40 millimeters in size; Trophy system; 9 passengers 3 crew; double-V hull; 5 years to field.

Also have tracked Namer APC based on Merkava chassis at 60 tons. "It (Eitan) travels quickly on roads between sectors. It will work together with the Namer, allowing us to engage faster,” Brig. Gen. Baruch Matzliah.

9 posted on 08/06/2016 7:33:57 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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10 posted on 08/06/2016 7:36:11 AM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: PIF

Looks like one the French use


11 posted on 08/06/2016 7:37:48 AM PDT by butlerweave
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To: PIF

I am surprised that they don’t have skirts covering the wheels, side and back. Could be some light weight composite to at least protect them against small arms fire and such.


12 posted on 08/06/2016 8:28:20 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: C19fan

When we look at armored vehicles, we always look from the view of being in the armored vehicle.

It takes two to make a fight.

What is it like for the enemy?

Yes, the anti-tank missiles are good.

But the anti-tank missile gunner is a weak link.

He has to breathe.

He has to see.

He has to be supplied.

If spotted, he is easily dispatched.

He is not very mobile.

He doesn’t have much support.

The Germans had a good anti-tank weapon in the Panzerfaust in WWII. The American tankers decided that everyone with a Panzerfaust would be killed. Word got around to the Germans.

Our tanks rolled through Germany.


13 posted on 08/06/2016 8:31:44 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Ancesthntr

It is a PROTOTYPE


14 posted on 08/06/2016 8:55:58 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Ancesthntr

I think that it is the Scottish tanks that wear skirts.
They also sound like someone abusing a cat.


15 posted on 08/06/2016 9:51:17 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck?Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: ThinkingBuddha

I would hope that it would. But at $300K per copy, how many can the IDF afford?


16 posted on 08/06/2016 12:36:35 PM PDT by donozark (My thoughts are not very deep. But they are of and inquisitive nature.)
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To: PIF

Just behind it looks like some beautiful country, for if the fighting ever stops to enjoy it.


17 posted on 08/06/2016 4:00:10 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Operation Wetback II, now with computers)
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Desert & sea - looking the other way - more desert & no sea


18 posted on 08/06/2016 4:09:44 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PIF

But it is beautiful country. And the surprising thing (to some) is that there’s an enormous amount of room — plenty of space for everyone who wants to live there. If the Arabs could bear having Jews live nearby, there would be absolutely nothing to fight about.


19 posted on 08/06/2016 6:58:32 PM PDT by JOHN ADAMS
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