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Interesting article... Over the weekend a commercial for the new Independence Day movie was on and my agnostic niece started complaining that there are no movies with highly evolved peaceful loving aliens that come to help - share wisdom and knowledge – peace and love… Well, it was Father’s Day weekend and I chose not to engage – it was a pick your battles moment and everyone was having a good time – why argue over a silly commercial…

That said, when she asked the question about highly evolved peaceful loving aliens I immediately thought – from her agnostic view - why would evolution produce such aliens? Wouldn’t evolution be far more likely to produce efficient killers and breeders? We are told by biologists that sharks have generally been in stasis for several million years because they are efficient killing machines. Why should we expect mindless evolution to produce advanced conscious and conscience intelligence? If aliens did exist, shouldn’t we expect heartless killers from an agnostic point of view?

1 posted on 06/22/2016 12:51:26 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander

Sit down and watch Starman with her. With Jeff Bridges and Karen Allen.


2 posted on 06/22/2016 12:53:45 PM PDT by SpinnerWebb (Winter is coming)
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To: Heartlander

All of creation just for us? I don’t buy it.


3 posted on 06/22/2016 12:55:49 PM PDT by AFreeBird (BEST. ELECTION. EVER!)
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To: Heartlander

The Earth is 4b years old and the universe is 13.3b years old. With as much as a 9b year head start and even giving a teeny-tiny percent likelihood that there is intelligent life on some planet elsewhere, it seems to me an absolute certainty that there is intelligent life elsewhere.


7 posted on 06/22/2016 1:02:01 PM PDT by econjack (I'm not bossy...I just know what you should be doing.)
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To: Heartlander

Given enough time, humankind will unlock the secrets of what makes this world a reality. There are a lot of little things that need to be understood to see the bigger picture.


8 posted on 06/22/2016 1:06:00 PM PDT by soycd
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To: Heartlander

How incredibly arrogant.


11 posted on 06/22/2016 1:07:31 PM PDT by wastedyears (Trump has all the right enemies.)
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To: Heartlander

Since there are hundreds of billions of galaxies (our Milky Way being just one)in the universe, there is an excellent chance that intelligent aliens exist somewhere in that incomprehensible vastness. However given the laws of physics it is impossible for any alien biological or mechanical entity to physically visit. However for over one hundred years, earth has been transmitting in analog and digital form over the last forty years meaningful radio waves. Theoretically an alien listening post has heard us. Those aliens may have in turn already linked with even more distant aliens. In fact there may be an existing chain of alien civilizations separated by distances that no biological or mechanical entity can transverse but communicate with each other via light speed digital transmissions. Perhaps sometime in the next fifty years earth computers will receive a truly wonderous transmission from far away.


14 posted on 06/22/2016 1:11:43 PM PDT by allendale
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There really is no reasonable argument that there is no other intelligent life in the universe besides a purely religious one.
If you hold an article of faith that God made one and only one creation like us, then fair enough.

But if you think the human race and all the life on earth evolved because of our conditions here, then it has done it hundreds of thousands, or even millions of times. And we will never meet them, not even once.

The universe is simply too big. Like one grain of sand on a beach, looking for a few specific grains of sand somewhere else on earth. That’s way too small an example, but its the best I can do.


15 posted on 06/22/2016 1:13:22 PM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: Heartlander

IF Ets exist,

and IF they have travelled here,

THEN, 100% ABSOLUTELY, every possible means of covering it up is, and will forever be used, by those in power. PERIOD. Because they would destroy the limited planetary mindset of the human race towards their leaders.

So, therefore, 1) if ETs want the limelight, they’re going to have to show themselves BY themselves, because they AIN’T getting any help, and 2) Just because nothing is admitted and there’s an ocean of lies, don’t mean squat.


16 posted on 06/22/2016 1:16:20 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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Back to the Fermi Paradox. Where are they?

With current technology, we could populate the galaxy in a few centuries. Slower-than-light ships establishing colonies on any habitable worlds they find, with colonies then sending out more ships as they reached the required level of technology, and so on.

If there are other intelligent species out there, they could do the same.

So far we haven't seen any of them.

23 posted on 06/22/2016 1:26:03 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (,)
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To: Heartlander

It’s so very lonely.


27 posted on 06/22/2016 1:36:01 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: Heartlander

What a huge waste of space it would be if it were so


30 posted on 06/22/2016 1:39:48 PM PDT by clamper1797 (We are getting close to the last "box")
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To: Heartlander

The peaceful loving aliens never formed a government. So no need to invade or explore very far. The aliens with governments however eventually kill themselves off. Our clock is running.


33 posted on 06/22/2016 1:47:05 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Heartlander

I am sure there is intelligent life in the universe, it just doesn’t want to come here anymore.


40 posted on 06/22/2016 1:53:14 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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In any competition, the more aggressive are more likely to win, other things being more or less equal.

Lions prey upon antelope. Yet how does an antelope compete with the lion? It doesn’t, any more than a turnip competes with garden bugs. It competes with other antelope to avoid being eaten by the lion.

The lion also competes with other lion. Every organism within an ecological niche competes only with other organisms in that niche, not those outside it.

Any organism that evolved to intelligence would have to be fairly aggressive, both to obtain the scarce resources needed to develop and power a brain, and to be able to defend itself. Because there is only so many non-technological entities a planet can support before Malthusian situations will arise


45 posted on 06/22/2016 1:56:18 PM PDT by chesley (The right to protest is not the right to disrupt.)
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To: Heartlander

I don’t know the answer, but I’ll ask the Lord when I get there.

I’ll post the answer on FR.

5.56mm


46 posted on 06/22/2016 1:56:40 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Heartlander

Get that old video, “To Serve Man”, then invite her over for
a viewing party. :o)


50 posted on 06/22/2016 1:59:51 PM PDT by Twinkie (Cowards die a thousand deaths; the valiant never taste of death but once.)
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To: Heartlander

Get that old video, “To Serve Man”, then invite her over for
a viewing party. :o)


51 posted on 06/22/2016 2:00:29 PM PDT by Twinkie (Cowards die a thousand deaths; the valiant never taste of death but once.)
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To: Heartlander

And of course we are Gods creation...,.


58 posted on 06/22/2016 2:11:46 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Heartlander

There are an infinite “number” of intelligent species in our infinitely large universe.


60 posted on 06/22/2016 2:19:01 PM PDT by truth_seeker (#NeverHillary#NeeverBernie)
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To: Heartlander

If there is life elsewhere in the universe, but they are too far away from us in space or in time to communicate with us or they never develop modern means of telecommunication, then we’re alone.


63 posted on 06/22/2016 2:26:44 PM PDT by x
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