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Sorry, but I am exasperated with the interviewers. The Stimulus was supposed to go to 'shovel ready jobs' refurbishing the infrastructure. Now the Left is again talking about more money for the infrastructure. Obama has been in office for 7+ years.....WHY HASN'T IT BEEN FIXED ALREADY???
1 posted on 06/09/2016 6:53:34 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: originalbuckeye

$1 trillion for shovel ready infrastructure projects...

Gone.

Where did it all go?


2 posted on 06/09/2016 6:55:15 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: originalbuckeye

As I recall, Obama put Joe Biden in charge of tracking the porkulus money.

Liberals don’t really want to talk about porkulus anymore.

The only references I’ve heard to it the past few years, have been liberals lamenting that the $800 billion just wasn’t enough money to accomplish the goals. And how the GOP just won’t allow them to spend more, yadda, yadda, yadda.

That’s liberalism for you. The failure of any government program is due to not having spent enough, not due to problems with bureaucracy, or problems with the program itself.


3 posted on 06/09/2016 6:56:51 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: originalbuckeye

Obama still uses that phrase whenever he is wanting budget increases — it is for the infrastructure.

I am still wondering whether the check arrived for Gulf War II. W told us the Iraqi oil would pay for that war.

Kasich was on FoxNews this morning hitting the buzz-words: he is for reducing the size of government; he is conservative.

It’s all lies. It’s all political propaganda they play over and over. They get away with enough of it to keep them in power.


5 posted on 06/09/2016 7:04:55 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: originalbuckeye

Due to baseline budgeting and the lack of a budget for the last 7+ years, the stimulus has been re-spent, with a slight incremental increase, every year Obama’s been in office.


7 posted on 06/09/2016 7:06:09 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: originalbuckeye

Stimulus was a bailout for over-extended State and local governments who saw property values and tax revenues drop precipitously. The tool was Fed.gov’s power to print money and the Federal Reserve’s power to created debt out of thin air and manipulate interest rates to zero.

You have to protect the power and continuity of the Government, at all costs. Its that simple

Its ancient history now.


9 posted on 06/09/2016 7:19:25 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: originalbuckeye

I’ll cut to the chase.
It was stolen.


11 posted on 06/09/2016 7:37:22 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: originalbuckeye

In 2009 I was in Vermont State government, in th Labor Dept. People kept asking me about the stimulus program, employers with ideas about infrastructure fixes they saw were needed. I passed their ideas up the pipeline and pressed for answers. After months, the answer came back down. The money would be used to continue funding for state and local government employees. In other words, shut up and focus on how your bread was being buttered, and forget about infrastructure. The “least costly” way to stimulate was to create and maintain government jobs. Real jobs would require costly equipment and logistics. It was shortly after that I took. Buy out and an early retirement.


13 posted on 06/09/2016 7:49:25 PM PDT by Stirner
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To: originalbuckeye

Because the stimulus money went to all their well connected buddies.


15 posted on 06/09/2016 8:10:12 PM PDT by Bullish (Face it, insanity is just not presidential.)
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To: originalbuckeye

Here’s a link not many people see:
https://www.fpds.gov/fpdsng_cms/index.php/en/

I posted a few weeks of stimulus spending here on FR in 2009, not that many comments or views - so I stopped.

It was easier to access stimulus spending back then - you could download excel sheets. Now you have to dig around.

You wouldn’t believe how much was spent on Big Pharma, GM vehicles and picnic tables...


16 posted on 06/09/2016 8:10:38 PM PDT by libertarian27 (FR Cookbooks - On Profile Page)
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To: originalbuckeye

Absolutely right - after pushing for almost a trillion dollars in 2009 for those “shovel ready jobs” to stimulate the economy, Obama was seen laughing only a year later because “there weren’t as many shovel ready jobs as we thought there were” - so what happened to all the funding that was appropriated for the jobs, and why now all of a sudden do we need more money to do the jobs that were supposed to be done back then - politicians at all levels are yapping about funds to fix the roads and bridges and tunnels that have been neglected, but they should get not one cent until the 2009 money is accounted for - and Republicans should be leading the way in finding answers.......


19 posted on 06/09/2016 8:45:29 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: originalbuckeye

Or ask them what they spent the $17 trillion of new debt on.


20 posted on 06/09/2016 8:46:46 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: originalbuckeye; 2banana; Dilbert San Diego; ButThreeLeftsDo; Fantasywriter; PGR88; publius911; ...
I posted this below back around 2011 or something like that, and a few times since. Up here in Massachusetts, that stimulus money wasn't spent on bridges and roads as much as it was on a plethora of small things that add up.

As the poster libertarian27 said, back then they had it where you could download it in Excel. Sounds good, except for the obvious deception and obfuscation of things that received stimulus monies, and they way they tried to fragment it up to make it a pain. But I was able to compile some, as I explain in this old post below:

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I have to sometimes take a breath. I don't WISH for a company to go out of business, and I don't even generally mind that some of my tax dollars are used to help people get retrained. But when it is UNIONS that put someone out of work, and MY money is used to retrain people who have been put out of work because of it, it makes me angry, because unions are wasteful and selfish, and we end up having to clean up the mess.

I can't tell you how angry I was when I recently tried to find out how many dollars from the "American Recovery and Reinvestment Act" were used to build a state of the art visitor center on the grounds of a national park near me.

Sudbury, Massachusetts is near where I live, it is one of the wealthiest communities in the state, and is located some twenty miles due west of Boston. In Sudbury, there was an old, abandoned Army base that had been closed up for years, and sometime in the last ten years or so, it was opened to the public to be able to walk through. It was great.

Not many people knew about it or knew it was open, and one could walk on dilapidated old crumbling roads through the woods, punctuated by an occasional boarded up decaying building. Most interestingly, there are a series of huge concrete munitions bunkers with evidence of railroad (possibly small gage) that serviced the bunkers, and on a few of them, you could get inside to find old, empty metal desks, light fixtures in the overhead with old fashioned incandescent bulbs in them.

To anyone who has ever lived on military installations, it has that general air of decay you know you could sniff out in the remote accesses even on some large active bases. As someone who grew up as a military brat and spent many hours exploring such ignored areas, that type of thing has always had a kind of charm for me. Anyway, it was great, and always deserted. Just about two years ago, I began to see evidence of activity...backhoes, roads being paved and such. It was a real disappointment, and I stopped going there for a while. Then, last winter, my wife and I went for a wintertime snow walk there, and came across this facility:

Now, just seeing that sign makes my blood pressure go up, but as I looked over the facility, I got angrier and angrier.

There was apparently no expense spared to build this facility, everything built of the highest quality materials, I do believe there were solar electricity panels on the roof (not sure though) but it didn't look like they skimped on anything. As I looked through the windows of the closed facility, I think I even saw Herman Miller chairs in what looked like an office. Bottom line, I see this, and figure they probably spent at LEAST a million or two on this facility, probably more, and now have it staffed with a park ranger or two. All this money WE DON'T HAVE for one or two government employee FTE's. Don't get me wrong, I like parks and such. BUT YOU DON'T SPEND MONEY YOU HAVE TO BORROW TO BUILD THEM! If times are prosperous, just maybe you can do it, but when we have a debt burden of $500,000 per household in this country, it is INSANITY to spend money on this type of thing.

So I decided to try to find out just how much of the "stimulus" was spent on this boondoggle. There is a website in Massachusetts to monitor the distribution of the stimulus funds at Massachusetts Recovery Website as an an attempt to live up to the Obama administration's promise of "transparency".

On the site, you can dig around in a variety of ways to see data, one way to slice it is by project, another shows funds by zip code. Unfortunately, they make it so you cannot download all the funds for all Massachusetts zip codes, but at least you can download data for a given zip code for a given fiscal quarter. Now, I never did find out how much was spent on that facility. But what I did find out was interesting.

I downloaded the data for 01776 (oh, the IRONY at that zip code) in successive passes for each fiscal quarter and got them all into an Excel spreadsheet. Once there, I used a pivot table to slice the data in a variety of ways. The column on the left is a general category, and the categories from left to right are subcategories of that. I specified that I only wanted to see the top four, and specifically excluded the Police and Firefighter components, but since the total money awarded was $25.2 million and this table shows an expenditure of $23.13 million, that means all other expenditures for this community that I didn't show totaled just over two million dollars. So my table below shows the lion's share.

(I only showed money awarded, not money used, but gee whiz, is anyone concerned they would get awarded the money and not use it? I'm not...)

As I went through the data, I kept seeing an entry for Minuteman Nashoba Heath, and it was a large chunk twice a year. Doing a search on the Internet showed this website: Minuteman Nashoba Health Group. They describe themselves as such:

"The Minuteman Nashoba Health Group (MNHG) is a coalition of Massachusetts towns and school districts that have joined together to purchase health benefits for their employees, retirees, and their eligible dependents. Joint purchasing of health benefits gives the participating governmental employers purchasing clout to help keep costs under control. The MNHG has been operational since 1990 and has added several towns to its membership in the last several years." I don't know what the cost for healthcare is for teachers in that town, but it looks from a couple of things I have seen that teachers might contribute between 20-30% of their own money towards their premium. Bottom line, you folks down in Texas, all you Freepers in California, even you Sooners out in Oklahoma, your tax dollars are all paying for the health care of unionized Massachusetts teachers.

I am not choosing Sudbury, MA for analysis because of some perceived corruption. I don't believe it is any more or less corrupt than any other community in this country. It just happened to be the community I was looking at to find out about something else, and this fell out of it. I fully expect that if I were to do this analysis on my town (which I will do) or any other locality in this state or throughout the country, we might find similar activity. What is unspeakable in my opinion is the fact that we took hundreds of billions of dollars we didn't have, and opened the coffers for every community around the nation to dip their hands into. To me, this is the equivalent of a family that cannot meet their mortgage (or their second and third concurrent and outstanding Home Equity Loan) pay their car insurance or keep up with any of the other bills they have incurred, taking out a fourth home equity loan, withdrawing it in cash and distributing it throughout the family. "Hey everyone, I'm going to buy a new boat, Mom is going to get a sports car, you kids can take the rest of this and spend it on whatever you wish! Computers, video games, clothes, whatever you want! You don't have to tell me precisely what you are doing with it (and even if you do tell me, I'll just wink and approve!) and you won't have to pay any of it back! This is FREE MONEY, and we are going to have a great time with it!" We have heard people say the whole stimulus bill is a scam. From day one, I have believed it. We have heard many say that this stimulus was supposed to provide "shovel ready jobs" that would stimulate the economy, but from looking at the expenditures, it is clear that, in one of the single, wealthiest communities in Massachusetts, 25 million dollars of stimulus money was spent, and the vast majority of it appears to be spent not on "shovel ready jobs" (whatever the HELL that means) but instead for paying for unemployment benefits, benefits for teachers and other "unspecified" educational costs (that detail could not be teased out of the spreadsheet, since it is not broken down that way). Spending the money on unemployment benefits may or may not be the best use for that money, but I think there should have at least been a dialogue about the wisdom of using it. It might indeed be the best use of our taxpayer money, but nobody got to even discuss it. It was just used to pay for these things...AND THOSE USES WERE NOT WHAT THE "STIMULUS" WAS SOLD AS. Brain dead liberals think that pumping borrowed/printed money back into the hands of the unemployed so it can be used to pay bills actually STIMULATES an economy. (Ask Nancy Pelosi...SHE thinks it does, and has said so.) It doesn't, but people who believe in socialism think it does. And socialists are running the show now.

Many of us recognize that the stimulus was a bill of goods, being used primarily by many communities to cover shortfalls, and who could blame those communities for doing so. But the unimpeachable idiocy of declaring that this money was going to stimulate anything is apparent, and it is yet another instance of the dishonesty of the liberals (and so-called "conservatives") who not only supported this expenditure the first time around, but are now pushing for more money WE DON'T HAVE to be thrown down the rat-hole.

And I do mean "Rat-Hole".

And it is a UNION Rathole. Using MY money to pay for it.

24 posted on 06/09/2016 9:05:25 PM PDT by rlmorel (Embrace your Curmudgeonlyness.)
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To: originalbuckeye
Sw these signs south of San Francisco with No Work going on:
26 posted on 06/09/2016 9:25:41 PM PDT by Mr. Peabody
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To: originalbuckeye

Wondered on this for years! Maybe Trump can look into it?


27 posted on 06/09/2016 9:36:55 PM PDT by Envisioning (4.13.15 - That awkward moment in history when 53 million racists became sexists...)
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