Posted on 03/31/2016 3:18:57 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
Ruminating about all the vitriol blasted toward Trump over the past few hours, something struck me.
I would like FREEPer's thoughtful opinions on the subject.
Would it be fair for conservatives to treat ABORTIONISTS, those "doctors" who murder unborn children, with the same rhetoric as the liberals have treated so-called (and apparent) "predator lenders"--loan officers and bank underwriters who put people in homes they KNOW they cannot afford.
In the end, the buyer loses their house, the mother her child. While the murderer/banker gets money.
I know this may not be a perfect analogy.
Just wondering if DT might have better said "Chris, she has lost a baby. Isn't that enough?"
Anyone out there? I know it is early...
“”predator lenders”—loan officers and bank underwriters who put people in homes they KNOW they cannot afford. “
It is not a particularly good analogy. The lenders are forced by federal law to lend to blacks and other minority and “disadvantaged” borrowers. Under the old bank policies these people could not buy homes they could not afford. Those lenders were sued by the government and a number of non-governmental but government back entities to force them to make the loans. Then, federal agencies freddie and fannie may bought the loans and bundled them. This caused the real estate bubble and set the stage for the bubble collapse. Those government forced lending policies are still in force and the banks are still writing loans that people can’t afford as a result. The banks are not evil. They are being forced to write loans people can’t afford by federal laws.
Agreeing that you're suggesting a good answer does not change that I don't think the woman who gets an abortion is a victim. She's a partner in crime. As far as the victim of a predatory loan, they do pay a price. They got to keep the house, but the price is they lose the benefit they gain, with severe consequences for their credit rating and future potential. What price does the mother who killed her child pay?
The term predatory lending is a joke so I don’t know this works at all.
Some do, some don't. Some are pressured into having abortions and spend the rest of their lives suffering for it, some willingly keep getting pregnant over and over because they've made the calculation that getting abortions is easier than using birth control. Others have the abortion without any conscience, but then see proof that they actually killed someone, and begin to feel guilty at that time.
While they may or may not eventually face the fact that they killed another human being, there are other prices that women pay for using abortion as birth control. One is that some of these women want to have a living child for a change, and the abortions make that impossible. Abortion can cause sterility, but the more likely effect is that it damages the uterus so that carrying a child to term becomes difficult, if not impossible. So premature birth and fetal loss are common effects of previous abortion. In fact, the effect of previous abortion is equivalent to the effect of smoking during pregnancy, except that one can choose to stop smoking but can never undo the damage of previous abortion.
There is also the abortion-breast cancer link. It is probably stronger than studies show, since women who have had abortions are likely to deny it later on because of the stigma they experience if they admit it. Lying about abortion means that in the studies, women who have had abortions and went on to develop breast cancer are counted as if they have never had abortions, thus skewing the numbers.
I think any woman who has her baby put to death is a cold blooded murderer, and any “doctor” who actually performs the execution is a monster, and any support staff are accomplices to murder. Trump spoke the truth that no one wants to hear.
Your analogy does not work.
1. Lending is a heavily regulated industry, particularly in the residential mortgage sector.
The paperwork and the interest rate tolerances are so tight that a 1/8 percent disclosure error can cause a fine.
2. The mortgage industry meltdown was not caused by lenders, it was caused by the Fed.Gov. Via Dodd-Frank and beginning with the Clinton Administration. Deval Patrick at Justice extorted banks (IMHO) into making loans on increasingly loose terms some to 110 percent of cost to people literally without financial documentation. To save themselves the banks sold the mortgages in the secondary market.
3. As to the abortion industry, a process used to save a woman’s life/health has degenerated into something created by the Fiend himself. Used as a method of birth control by the degenerate, and now an industry casually butchering children and selling their body parts under the bland title of “women’s health”.
Sorry my friend, you will have to try again.
Back in the early 1990s....while i was still in the Air Force...we had this young guy (maybe 20 years old) who’d decided to buy some dream car fully loaded. When he arrived at Bitburg and started to have financial issues...a officer in my office handled counseling like this for the squadron. The kid was paying roughly 75-percent of his monthly paycheck for five years....to this bank for the car. After the officer came back to the office and laid this out...I sat there in disbelief that anyone would be that stupid and that any bank would think that the kid probably would fold at some point and give up on the car. He agreed, but this was now a monthly thing for him...counseling one or two people on bad loans, house purchases beyond reality...and it was all predatory-type behavior going on even twenty years ago.
I used it in quotes merely because that is the POV of the left.
We recognize the irony in "chutzpah," defined as killing your parents then throwing yourself upon the mercy of the court, because you're an orphan.
How much more ironic then to kill your child, then claim I've suffered enough? She's suffered at her own hand.
You can't fault Trump for lying, I guess we'll be faulting him for daring to tell the truth.
I agree with your premise of applying stronger rhetoric. I think comparing the abortionists to predatory lenders is too mild, too vague and requires too much explanation to be effective.
My belief is that ANYONE who advocates, supports, has one or performs an abortion is a CHILD MOLESTER. What else can you call a person who is comfortable with smashing the baby’s skull, sucking out the brain, then burning the skin and then carving up the body to sell?
After all, what’s the difference between abortionists and that POS that killed his 4-month-old baby girl (multiple skull fractures and broken bones)?
This may make me persona non grata among certain segments of FReeperdom, but I cannot hold my disgust anymore.
Can we all acknowledge the double standard? If a father killed his child, would any say he's suffered enough? If a man fathered several children, then killed them, would we say he should be more responsible?
Why do we condemn men for not controlling their sexuality, but just assume that women can't? That it's unfair or unreasonable to do so?
I'd really like to understand.
I would compare them to a hired killer.
The fact is that abortion is a complicated issue. You can certainly blame a woman who intentionally gets pregnant because she plans to have an abortion later on. And women like that make up a large portion of the abortion customer base. Some of these women might regret it later on—for instance, they might see the reality of embryonic development later on and understand that it is not “pro-life” propaganda—but most of them have been conditioned to either reject the science of embryology, or to not care about human life. By all means, blame them.
But some women are not sure, they weren’t careful and got pregnant and they don’t really want an abortion—but they go to a place like Planned Parenthood, who has very high-pressure sales tactics and are trained in applying pressure to get a woman to agree to abortion, then push her into having it right away before she has a chance to think things through. Typically, the scenario is to give the pregnancy test, and to pressure her as soon as a positive result comes back. This is why the abortion industry is so vehemently against waiting periods, because they know that many women will not follow through if they are removed from the coercive environment. Should a woman who has an abortion under that circumstance be blamed for it? She is very likely to suffer physical and mental anguish later on over it.
This issue is not clear-cut, and we cannot paint every post-abortive woman with the same brush.
My brother’s analogy is that of someone that illegally sells their kidney. Doctor’s involved. Is the doctor alone punished, or both parties?
If we tell girls they won't get punished if they have an abortion, but they must name the father and give a dna sample, then we will see how many guys start practicing safe sex or decide to encourage their girlfriend to keep the baby.
I would like to see the feminists argue against this suggestion.
“My brother’s analogy is that of someone that illegally sells their kidney. Doctor’s involved. Is the doctor alone punished, or both parties?”
Is the kidney going to be a sentient being?
1a: Who was regulating mortgage originators like one time industry leader Argent/Ameriquest ("we haven't changed the mortgage industry we've revolutionized it") Mortgage. (answer: basically nobody)
1b: Mortgage originators like Ameriquest and Countrywide were not banks.
1c: Even Alan Greenspan managed to pull his head far enough out of his wherever to acknowledge that...
“Fraud creates very considerable instability in competitive markets,” Greenspan said. “If you cannot trust your counterparties, it would not work.”
...not regulating the fraud ridden process was, well, sort of an "OOPS!".
>>2. The mortgage industry meltdown was not caused by lenders, it was caused by the Fed.Gov. Via Dodd-Frank
What year was Dodd-Frank passed?
3. SoFloFreeper - your analogy renders a useful illustration of the symptoms associated with the subversion and demoralization of American culture.
Observe how American culture has been perverted into a thing whose nature increasingly resembles the systemically corrupt and self-worshiping culture described in Romans chapter 1.
"Those people are here illegally; they're ignorant and uneducated. They DESERVE to be taken advantage of"
--Manager of Application Support, Argent Mortgage; circa May 2007
I think Predator is pretty accurate.
http://www.google.com/#q=Boots+cash+mortgage+convicted+border
What term would you and Chris Warren use, then, to classify the taxonomy of such behavior in the animal kingdom?
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