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Never understood why the US never adopted John Bull's howitzers. He built 155 MM howitzers for South Africa and used by Iraq with ranges almost double the M-777.
1 posted on 03/30/2016 12:01:19 PM PDT by C19fan
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Never understood why the US never adopted John Bull's howitzers.

They have probably been waiting for his patents to expire so their cronies in the defense industry don’t have to pay royalties to Bull’s heirs.

2 posted on 03/30/2016 12:08:59 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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John should be Gerald.


3 posted on 03/30/2016 12:09:51 PM PDT by C19fan
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Doing a bore cleaning must take a week.
4 posted on 03/30/2016 12:13:51 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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The extra range was largely achieved at the cost of accuracy, which was true even when firing well within the maximum range. So, in exchange for having a longer range, you got a lot less accuracy.

Can't speak to the "actual" reason, but that one was certainly true.

5 posted on 03/30/2016 12:16:51 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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Gerald Bull’s ‘supergun’ designs are more complex, a lot less mobile (as in, they’re fixed position guns that can neither traverse nor elevate) and require a lot more by way of logistics support. The more conventional guns he designed for South Africa only achieved their ranges with Swedish base-bleed technology on the projectiles, which can be fired from existing US guns. The actual GC-45 and resulting G5 howitzers aren’t actually that special. The larger G6/Al-Fao guns turned out to be impractical in reality and never entered service.


7 posted on 03/30/2016 12:23:05 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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Okay, when I was in the Army, I never had to fight anything more dangerous than a typewriter (Chairborne Ranger all the way, buddy, hooah!), so perhaps my lack of understanding is... understandable... but isn’t this what airpower is for, particularly when you find yourself in combat with a turd-world country?


12 posted on 03/30/2016 12:45:42 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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The premise of the article is bogus. The enemy who launched rockets at the fire base were well within the range of those howitzers, keeping the enemy outside a 43 mile diameter circle is impossible.

The biggest issue of the extended range howitzers is the sustained rate of fire. Unfortunately no one in the current force can remember when volume of indirect fire was essential. We have other weapons systems that can reach out and touch the long range targets, the purpose of the guns are to mass fires at the decisive place and decisive time. Ask the Wehrmacht what they thought of American artillery.


15 posted on 03/30/2016 12:59:05 PM PDT by centurion316
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All of this will mean nothing when the railgun technology is perfected. Distances will be immaterial and accuracy will be measured in inches and centimeters.


17 posted on 03/30/2016 1:04:47 PM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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I want one.
Are they on Gun Broker yet?


18 posted on 03/30/2016 1:05:26 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (This time it is serious.)
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How about an AC-130 Gunship... That can increase your artillery range...by a lot.


23 posted on 03/30/2016 1:16:35 PM PDT by DocRock (And now is the time to fight! Peter Muhlenberg)
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Never bothered to keep track, but back in the early 90's we worked on the GPS antenna suite for a guided 155mm shell. Same time, worked on a rocket assisted similar round for the Navy with a humungous range. Do not think the 155mm had rocket assist for more range, but if it worked for the 5" Navy gun.....

Never heard a peep about either one since, must have been too effective or the right lobby was not involved.

24 posted on 03/30/2016 1:21:22 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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The carriage date on my gun was 1942
27 posted on 03/30/2016 1:38:01 PM PDT by Chuckster ("Them Rag Heads just ain't rational" Curly Bartley 1973)
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What frosted me about the establishment attack on Gerald Bull was that he showed a way that likely could have cut the cost of space exploration by 90%.

We could be putting supplies to the space station, and building materials with super-guns.

He already demonstrated sub-orbital capabilities.

I suspect NASA sabotaged his efforts, or more likely the State Department, because his guns did not fit into their stupid “arms control” games.

Bull was a full bore genius, and our insane government set him up and wasted a great man.


29 posted on 03/30/2016 2:24:55 PM PDT by marktwain
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