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Cruz v Trump is Delegates v the Voter [vanity]

Posted on 03/15/2016 2:02:28 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March

Yesterday, Hannity quoted the notorious Cruz accusation*, interviewed Senator Sessions, interviewed Newt Gingrich, and hotly debated Kasich over a potential convention challenge [the least exciting but most important part].

It was one of Hannity's all-time best radio programs. And it might be his most important one since the early days after 9-11-01.

The most informative moment on his radio show was his run-in with Jamie Dupree about the specifics of delegates. It gave me a creepy feeling. Hannity mentioned how delegates are selected.

Every state has its own system, and I'm left with the impression that not many delegates feel any pressure from their states' popular votes.

I found it interesting that Dupree was concerned that if Hannity keeps talking about a convention challenge, that it will divide the party.

Jamie Dupree also offered an inside glimpse into Senator Cruz. He pointed out that Cruz knows how to influence what delegates are selected. It's deep inside-baseball, the kind of thing that would leave your typical outsider baffled [such as a real estate mogul named Trump].

I now understand why Cruz does not want a brokered convention. He wants a floor fight. The way delegates are selected, that could prove to be even more perverse than a brokered convention!

I now believe that Cruz has a three-phase goal:

1. Criticize any brokering attempts by Trump to force a floor fight.

2. Defeat voter support with delegate support at the convention.

3. If Trump attempts an independent bid, paint the front-runner as a 'sore loser'. That would be quite a trick -- impossible in fact.

Is Ted Cruz another John Quincy Adams?

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." - John Quincy Adams

No wonder Adams destroyed his own reputation the way he won the White House -- a disdain for voting majorities and a refusal to face consequences.

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* The notorious Cruz accusation was Cruz blaming Trump for the violent rally protests. Hannity played the sound bite repeatedly. That took courage and selflessness because the Han Man wants to keep interviewing Cruz.

In further posting I'll add points and questions from a previous related thread.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: convention; cruz; delegates; floorfight; gopdelegates; gope; nancykerrigan; seanhannity; tonyaharding; trump
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1 posted on 03/15/2016 2:02:28 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
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Seven Questions regarding a Convention Fight
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3408205/posts


2 posted on 03/15/2016 2:03:51 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Obama giving away the internet: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3407691/posts?page=38)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping.


3 posted on 03/15/2016 2:05:43 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Obama giving away the internet: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3407691/posts?page=38)
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[53%!] Trump breaks 50% in national support for the first time [Cruz 22, Kasich 11, Rubio 10]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3409079/posts

So long as Trump remains above Cruz in the popular vote, he is the winner so far as republican voters are concerned.

Try painting THAT as a ‘sore loser’.


4 posted on 03/15/2016 2:07:57 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Obama giving away the internet: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3407691/posts?page=38)
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To: RoosterRedux; stephenjohnbanker; MarvinStinson

A delegate coup to overide Trump’s popular support kind of reminds me of Tanya Harding. If someone’s a better skater, break her legs.


5 posted on 03/15/2016 2:10:35 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Obama giving away the internet: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3407691/posts?page=38)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

This a bunch of junior high girl stuff.

“He’s creepy. Jamie said something that made me feel bad. Hannity said Cruz has a way to cheat.”

It’s amazing how much of a manly man trump supposedly is, and how patheticly sensitive his supporters are.

Guess what? Nobody knows how the convention will turn out. And if Trump were in Cruz’s position in your imaginary scenario, he’d fight like hell with every trick he had to win. But you would just think that’s awesome and him being a fighter. But if it’s Cruz? Then you get a bad feeling.


6 posted on 03/15/2016 2:14:19 AM PDT by mongrel
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To: mongrel

Okay, to put it more intellectually, I have an ominous feeling if this convention turns against the front runner.

But here’s the real me: I bet Tonya Harding would like your way of thinking.


7 posted on 03/15/2016 2:16:50 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Obama giving away the internet: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3407691/posts?page=38)
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To: mongrel

‘And if Trump were in Cruz’s position in your imaginary scenario, he’d fight like hell with every trick he had to win. But you would just think that’s awesome and him being a fighter.’

NAME ONE TIME I called for disunion post-primary. I held my nose for Romney and McStain.

Nice try. People tried to tempt me into third parties EVERY election prior to this one. Never fell for it. I was even hinted at getting a nice job if I supported a new political party. Turned it down.


8 posted on 03/15/2016 2:19:06 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Obama giving away the internet: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3407691/posts?page=38)
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To: mongrel

And I’m GLAD Cruz isn’t the front runner in any case.

REPUBLICAN WIMPS ABSOLVE THE RIOTERS [Buchanan]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3409376/posts

Ted Cruz: Donald Trump sees protesters as disloyal people who must be punished
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3409076/posts
‘It’s also reflected in his treatment of protesters, where anyone who’s a protester is disloyal and must be punished,’ Mr. Cruz told reporters ...

NO, SENATOR CRUZ. READ MICHELLE MALKIN’S ‘UNHINGED’. That’s EXACTLY what Trump, Hannity, and Rush are talking about.


9 posted on 03/15/2016 2:21:30 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Obama giving away the internet: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3407691/posts?page=38)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

I wish everybody would grow the Hell up!

Remember when all the Democrats were bitchin’ and whinin’ in 2000 about how Gore got most of the votes but Bush won the election?
We had to explain the dang constitution to them!
It ain’t the people who elect presidents it’s the states through the electoral college.

Well all you pissers and moaners, it ain’t the people who pick the nominees, it’s the party.
And more often than not the party agrees with the voters but it is not REQUIRED to do so.
If you don’t like it, switch parties or form one of your own, otherwise put the big boy pants on and stop being a bunch of wimps...

If that ain’t enough there is always Article 5 or the 2nd Amendment in the US Constitution—both designed to set things right.


10 posted on 03/15/2016 2:32:03 AM PDT by Happy Rain (CRUZ 2016 "Closest Thing We Have To Reagan" - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

http://mashable.com/2016/03/12/trump-rally-incite-violence/


11 posted on 03/15/2016 2:35:59 AM PDT by pookie18 (8 months until the general election...)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

That’s terrifying, but if it’s tried, the Republican Party will simply collapse and Ted Cruz won’t even be elected dog catcher.


12 posted on 03/15/2016 2:37:33 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Happy Rain

Comparing convention rules to the US Constitution?

Really?


13 posted on 03/15/2016 2:37:36 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Obama giving away the internet: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3407691/posts?page=38)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Of course, a patriotic statesman would support the front runner for the sake of party unity. But is Cruz a patriot?

I would support whoever comes out strongest against her if Trump runs as independent.

Many would not. Some would be wrapped up in Cruz. Some would pull the lever for ‘R’. Hillary would win.

And there’s a good chance that most would leave the party forever.


14 posted on 03/15/2016 2:41:16 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Obama giving away the internet: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3407691/posts?page=38)
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To: Happy Rain
Well all you pissers and moaners, it ain’t the people who pick the nominees, it’s the party. And more often than not the party agrees with the voters but it is not REQUIRED to do so.

Then SCREW the "party!"

The very same people that passed ObaMao's budget, saying that it was the best deal they could get?

That party?

So we're just supposed to sit down and eat our peas?

You must be an McConnell or Ryan staffer.

Start a new party? You betcha!

15 posted on 03/15/2016 2:43:20 AM PDT by sauropod (I am His and He is mine.)
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To: sauropod

It would be so typical of the the GOP-E if Cruz wins through better delegate tactics while Trump has 53% of the popular support.

And then? ‘Don’t be sore losers. Don’t be cry babies.’

How about A SORE WINNER?

The sore loser is the one who tries to undermine popular support.


16 posted on 03/15/2016 2:46:12 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Obama giving away the internet: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3407691/posts?page=38)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

I’ve had it with these TDSers.

I know Happy Rain’s position.

I learned it the first 10,000 times he’s posted it.


17 posted on 03/15/2016 2:48:23 AM PDT by sauropod (I am His and He is mine.)
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To: sauropod
"Start a new party? You betcha!"

Netter Idea:

"No Parties, No Politicians"

Just Americans voted into power who actually swear to uphold the Constitution and absolutely nothing else!

18 posted on 03/15/2016 2:52:00 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg

I’d go for that.

But wasn’t that what the elections of 2010 and 2014 were all about?


19 posted on 03/15/2016 2:52:48 AM PDT by sauropod (I am His and He is mine.)
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To: sauropod
But wasn’t that what the elections of 2010 and 2014 were all about?

No it was a head fake, we still voted in Politicians.

Sadly it will be so until we have an implosion worse than the Great Depression.

Until then we are basically just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic while watching the Iceberg as we speed towards it.

20 posted on 03/15/2016 2:57:20 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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