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A different picture of quantum surrealism
Cosmos Magazine ^ | Feb 22, 2016 | Cathal O'Connell, science writer based in Melbourne

Posted on 02/22/2016 10:57:24 AM PST by Reeses

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Many times in the history of science some effect was declared to be completely random, the end, and then someone else comes along and figures out how it works. What scientists claim to be completely random is simply the edge of human knowledge.
1 posted on 02/22/2016 10:57:24 AM PST by Reeses
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To: Reeses

Yes, I’m not sure there is any such thing as “random”.


2 posted on 02/22/2016 11:07:07 AM PST by SuzyQue
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“First put forward by Louis de Broglie in 1927, the interpretation treats quantum objects just like classical particles, but imagines them riding like a surfer on top of a so-called pilot wave.

The wave is still probabilistic, but the particle does take a real trajectory from source to target.”

I think deBroglie was about 90% right. What he missed is that the particle IS the pilot wave. It just has a standing wave at its center that appears to us as a particle.


3 posted on 02/22/2016 11:08:12 AM PST by Boogieman
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Yes, I'm not sure there is any such thing as "random".

You think exactly like Albert Einstein and other great minds.

4 posted on 02/22/2016 11:17:00 AM PST by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
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I often wonder about the results of any experiment, i.e., like Schroeder's cat.

Taking the "Jinks in the machine" and it's connection to human conciseness into consideration, how much of an effect does the conciseness of the scientist at the time have on the outcome of the experiment? If they "believe" there will be a certain outcome, wouldn't that interfere with the final results? If so, how much?

It's the perplexing mind over matter thing. How much does the conciseness of the scientists play a role? If thought is energy, and that energy resonates at a certain vibration, what affect would that have on particles - which themselves are energy? What about the possibility of entrainment?

(I think about weird stuff. So many questions and so little time.)

5 posted on 02/22/2016 11:17:31 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Reeses

Ahhhhhhh.....Quantum Entanglement.

Just writing it makes my head hurt.


6 posted on 02/22/2016 11:18:19 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SuzyQue
Yes, I’m not sure there is any such thing as “random”.

There has to be. The possibilities start out as virtually endless. (Eventually, though, all possibilities will run out, and then there's no turning back.)

7 posted on 02/22/2016 11:22:14 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: concerned about politics

Randomness indicates actions, not possiblities.


8 posted on 02/22/2016 11:36:21 AM PST by SuzyQue
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Between existence and non-existence there is no mean. This principle is inviolable. To declare that something oscillates between existence and non-existence is illogical, and untrue.

Particles do not pop in and out of existence. The Universe does not pop in and out of existence.
Any theory of the Universe that contradicts that, is an invalid theory and untrue.


9 posted on 02/22/2016 11:42:09 AM PST by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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To: Boogieman
What he missed is that the particle IS the pilot wave. It just has a standing wave at its center that appears to us as a particle.

The evidence is collecting that waves are physically real things, but what the wave medium is is anybody's guess. If there's an edge to the wave medium, any waves hitting it should bounce back like hitting a mirror.

10 posted on 02/22/2016 11:45:56 AM PST by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
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“conciseness” = consciousness?


11 posted on 02/22/2016 11:50:36 AM PST by ChessExpert (The unemployment rate was 4.5% when Democrats took control of Congress in 2006.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Quantum ping


12 posted on 02/22/2016 11:54:16 AM PST by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
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To: SuzyQue
Randomness indicates actions, not possiblities.

Sorry. Misunderstood the post. I'm more of a Fred Allen Wolf type fan. I believe conciseness does affect matter, and I have a tendency to see and read everything from that perspective.
I read the post to say: "There's no such thing as coincidences." .

13 posted on 02/22/2016 11:57:45 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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I’m sure I’m not the only one, but quantum mechanics was something of a “brick wall” I hit in my study of physics.

Up until that point, I was comfortable with physics, even if I didn’t understand every nuance. But I could never get my head around QM.


14 posted on 02/22/2016 11:59:37 AM PST by chrisser (This space for rent.)
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To: SuzyQue

If there is no randomness then the entire past and future of the universe is knowable.


15 posted on 02/22/2016 12:03:31 PM PST by linear (Fealty to no man or party.)
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To: Reeses
Albert Einsteins favorite author was Madame Blavatsky. He read all her books over and over.
I bought one to see what was in it, and was very surprised. It was a little hard to read, though. I had to totally focus when I was reading it.

16 posted on 02/22/2016 12:03:53 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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“conciseness” = consciousness?

LOL. I even used spell checker.
I've never bragged about my spelling abilities. I have GOT to be the worst speller on the planet. And my comma splices are legendary. My children will be telling stories about my spelling to their children and their children's children someday!

17 posted on 02/22/2016 12:07:56 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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But I could never get my head around QM.

Those are the students that go on to contribute to QM. The students that think they understand it cause all the trouble.

18 posted on 02/22/2016 12:17:14 PM PST by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
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To: Boogieman
The way I saw it described is that the “particle” is a bunch of reinforcing, standing waves. If I remember correctly, a Fourier transform was used to describe the “particle.”
19 posted on 02/22/2016 12:27:00 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: linear
If there is no randomness then the entire past and future of the universe is knowable.

Knowable to God, if he wanted to skip to the end of the book, but we're forever cut off from being able to do that. So for us randomness really exists, even though it really doesn't.

20 posted on 02/22/2016 12:27:25 PM PST by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
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